RE: Model X marks the spot
Discussion
bodhi said:
I watched on of the Motor Trend videos last night comparing the Model S to the Charger Hellcat, and he summed it up quite well.
The Tesla is like a vegetarian meal cooked by the world's greatest chef, no doubt very tasty with all the best ingredients and presentation, and no doubt very good for you, however the Charger was a big massive steak, served with lobster and french fries (well, he was American). Pretty sure if I had the choice, it would be a steak every single time
Was interesting to see that in the Tesla he was clearly enjoying himself, and giggling whenever he put his foot down, in the Charger he was grinning so much all the time his face was hurting. I think the quote was "The Tesla has Insane Mode, the Charger IS Insane mode".
No doubt very worthy cars, but as a petrolhead they interest me as much as magnolia wallpaper. Add in autonomous mode, and they interest me even less.
As a petrolhead the Tesla fills me with dread, as a responsible parent, I hope they do really well and finally help usher in the move away from ICE cars, at least for the majority of the population who only use them as a means for getting from A to B.The Tesla is like a vegetarian meal cooked by the world's greatest chef, no doubt very tasty with all the best ingredients and presentation, and no doubt very good for you, however the Charger was a big massive steak, served with lobster and french fries (well, he was American). Pretty sure if I had the choice, it would be a steak every single time
Was interesting to see that in the Tesla he was clearly enjoying himself, and giggling whenever he put his foot down, in the Charger he was grinning so much all the time his face was hurting. I think the quote was "The Tesla has Insane Mode, the Charger IS Insane mode".
No doubt very worthy cars, but as a petrolhead they interest me as much as magnolia wallpaper. Add in autonomous mode, and they interest me even less.
bertie said:
Uncle John said:
menguin said:
Uncle John said:
Gullwing doors useful in multi storey car parks.....
Not sure they thought that one through.
The doors have two hinges - and detect the height and width of the space available. They open to within the limits of the height and width using the two pivot points. Pretty clever.Not sure they thought that one through.
I did hear that the initial models are prototypes anyway / mules. So it's not yet a finished product. But still an amazing achievement.
bodhi said:
I watched on of the Motor Trend videos last night comparing the Model S to the Charger Hellcat, and he summed it up quite well.
The Tesla is like a vegetarian meal cooked by the world's greatest chef, no doubt very tasty with all the best ingredients and presentation, and no doubt very good for you, however the Charger was a big massive steak, served with lobster and french fries (well, he was American). Pretty sure if I had the choice, it would be a steak every single time
Was interesting to see that in the Tesla he was clearly enjoying himself, and giggling whenever he put his foot down, in the Charger he was grinning so much all the time his face was hurting. I think the quote was "The Tesla has Insane Mode, the Charger IS Insane mode".
No doubt very worthy cars, but as a petrolhead they interest me as much as magnolia wallpaper. Add in autonomous mode, and they interest me even less.
Insane mode is so last month dahling, its all about ludicrous mode now The Tesla is like a vegetarian meal cooked by the world's greatest chef, no doubt very tasty with all the best ingredients and presentation, and no doubt very good for you, however the Charger was a big massive steak, served with lobster and french fries (well, he was American). Pretty sure if I had the choice, it would be a steak every single time
Was interesting to see that in the Tesla he was clearly enjoying himself, and giggling whenever he put his foot down, in the Charger he was grinning so much all the time his face was hurting. I think the quote was "The Tesla has Insane Mode, the Charger IS Insane mode".
No doubt very worthy cars, but as a petrolhead they interest me as much as magnolia wallpaper. Add in autonomous mode, and they interest me even less.
Not mentioned in this article but I love the claim of the biggest towing capability for an electric car. 2250kg or something.
I can just see caravans all over the country at the side of the road with their towing hitches missing, having being ripped off as the Tesla owner decided to overtake something.
I can just see caravans all over the country at the side of the road with their towing hitches missing, having being ripped off as the Tesla owner decided to overtake something.
Personally I have never understood the appeal of SUV's; largely based on the fact that the overwhelming majority of their time will spent on the road and therefore they do exactly the same job that a decent estate car does. This, however, I like. Or rather, Tesla I like.
Given the financial clout and the option I'd far rather have a Tesla than a German wagon of similar performance. M5 performance without the running costs? Yes please! I can see that the SUV Model X will open up their market considerably, especially considering the gold mine that is drawing in the likes of Bentley, Lamborghini and Rolls Royce. Then consider that trucks like the Cayenne and Macan effectively bank roll the other Porsche models and all of a sudden the future has the potential to look very rosy for Tesla. I'll have my Model S in blue with all of the performance packs please.
My biggest concern is that an explosion in the popularity of EV's and to a lesser extent Hybrids is that the cost of Lithium and other such Rare Earth Metals that go into the manufacture of the batteries etc will become exorbitantly expensive and therefore untenable for mass production on a truly global scale. Then we're back to square one again.
Given the financial clout and the option I'd far rather have a Tesla than a German wagon of similar performance. M5 performance without the running costs? Yes please! I can see that the SUV Model X will open up their market considerably, especially considering the gold mine that is drawing in the likes of Bentley, Lamborghini and Rolls Royce. Then consider that trucks like the Cayenne and Macan effectively bank roll the other Porsche models and all of a sudden the future has the potential to look very rosy for Tesla. I'll have my Model S in blue with all of the performance packs please.
My biggest concern is that an explosion in the popularity of EV's and to a lesser extent Hybrids is that the cost of Lithium and other such Rare Earth Metals that go into the manufacture of the batteries etc will become exorbitantly expensive and therefore untenable for mass production on a truly global scale. Then we're back to square one again.
TWPC said:
kambites said:
fatboy b said:
Still the same comedy interior then...
It looks weird in pictures, but having sat in a few of them I actually rather like the Model-S's interior from an aesthetic point of view. I still hate the idea of a touch screen or menu system for major functions in a car on principle, though. I'd far rather have lots of buttons. ...and ideally a properly engineered car which doesn't need to be reconfigured by the driver so doesn't have a multitude of functions that require buttons.
I want a Rolls Royce Phantom dash - shame I'm just Mondeo Man.
In a Hellcat it's not right, but in a Tesla it's part of the DNA. Pretty cool stuff, really.
Ollywood said:
bertie said:
Uncle John said:
menguin said:
Uncle John said:
Gullwing doors useful in multi storey car parks.....
Not sure they thought that one through.
The doors have two hinges - and detect the height and width of the space available. They open to within the limits of the height and width using the two pivot points. Pretty clever.Not sure they thought that one through.
I did hear that the initial models are prototypes anyway / mules. So it's not yet a finished product. But still an amazing achievement.
Guvernator said:
As a petrolhead the Tesla fills me with dread, as a responsible parent, I hope they do really well and finally help usher in the move away from ICE cars, at least for the majority of the population who only use them as a means for getting from A to B.
That's a good summation for many petrolheads (myself included) - nothing again the proliferation of such vehicles as efficient modes of transport and the appliance of science / technology, but the fear of them universally supplanting emotive petrol engines is strong..PhantomPH said:
TWPC said:
kambites said:
fatboy b said:
Still the same comedy interior then...
It looks weird in pictures, but having sat in a few of them I actually rather like the Model-S's interior from an aesthetic point of view. I still hate the idea of a touch screen or menu system for major functions in a car on principle, though. I'd far rather have lots of buttons. ...and ideally a properly engineered car which doesn't need to be reconfigured by the driver so doesn't have a multitude of functions that require buttons.
I want a Rolls Royce Phantom dash - shame I'm just Mondeo Man.
In a Hellcat it's not right, but in a Tesla it's part of the DNA. Pretty cool stuff, really.
Why?
Why is there nothing in this piece telling me useful things like, say, how the seating is arranged? Why is there absolutely zero information other than about doors and a ludicrous acceleration mode? Why are the doors in the back different to the front - presumably the car will be parked in the same spot? Why do they have variable hinges - why don't they just always open with as little a swing as possible (is this to do with height above the car and if there isn't enough, can the guys in the back get out through the front) - a logic similar to the volume pot going to 11 - why do I know the volume knob positions but not how many useful seats or luggage space the car has? Why do I presumably have to sit through half an hour of the linked video to find any of this out? Why might some people think it is worth 90K? What does it do that is the same, better or different, and I don't mean slightly different doors, and how useful is it likely to be in the real world? How has this company seemingly managed to sidestep all the logical questions? Doors. Doors that offer no apparent advantage. I like the idea of the acceleration - how long does that last for then? I have read an article and feel I know less than before I read it. Quite an achievement that. 90K for an aesthetically challenging box? Why?
Why is there nothing in this piece telling me useful things like, say, how the seating is arranged? Why is there absolutely zero information other than about doors and a ludicrous acceleration mode? Why are the doors in the back different to the front - presumably the car will be parked in the same spot? Why do they have variable hinges - why don't they just always open with as little a swing as possible (is this to do with height above the car and if there isn't enough, can the guys in the back get out through the front) - a logic similar to the volume pot going to 11 - why do I know the volume knob positions but not how many useful seats or luggage space the car has? Why do I presumably have to sit through half an hour of the linked video to find any of this out? Why might some people think it is worth 90K? What does it do that is the same, better or different, and I don't mean slightly different doors, and how useful is it likely to be in the real world? How has this company seemingly managed to sidestep all the logical questions? Doors. Doors that offer no apparent advantage. I like the idea of the acceleration - how long does that last for then? I have read an article and feel I know less than before I read it. Quite an achievement that. 90K for an aesthetically challenging box? Why?
dukebox9reg said:
Not mentioned in this article but I love the claim of the biggest towing capability for an electric car. 2250kg or something.
I can just see caravans all over the country at the side of the road with their towing hitches missing, having being ripped off as the Tesla owner decided to overtake something.
I can just see caravans all over the country at the side of the road with their towing hitches missing, having being ripped off as the Tesla owner decided to overtake something.
Theres a lot of noise in the press that this is still loosing money hand over fist and the project is 2 years late. However that could be sour grapes
I am a fan of the tech, but I think they need to be a bit more pragmatic maybe employ an accountant from ford when they do the specs for the new mid sized car so it will have a cost < 50k and then people will lap it up
I am a fan of the tech, but I think they need to be a bit more pragmatic maybe employ an accountant from ford when they do the specs for the new mid sized car so it will have a cost < 50k and then people will lap it up
Orange Rocket said:
My biggest concern is that an explosion in the popularity of EV's and to a lesser extent Hybrids is that the cost of Lithium and other such Rare Earth Metals that go into the manufacture of the batteries etc will become exorbitantly expensive and therefore untenable for mass production on a truly global scale. Then we're back to square one again.
Apparently the lithium, once recovered, is 100% recycleable, however it's much more expensive than just mining new metal so is rarely done until now. I imagine EV batteries will be recycled purely for the eco credentials. The good news is obviously that once the metal is extracted it can be used forever, and the already-extracted lithium now sitting on the surface could be recycled in the future. Looking a long way forward people will be thinking about trawling landfill etc.fatboy b said:
Still the same comedy interior then...
Indeed it is. In fact, there is barely any difference between the cockpits of the Model S and Model X. Which is very strange as there are plenty of places to improve. The massive screen divides opinion, but no one can argue against the storage being pretty poor in the front. The centre console is one large bin so anything small you put in there will roll around. The cup holder position makes it really easy to fire cups/bottles into the rear seats with your elbow.I drove a Model S for a day and it was impressive, but they've got a long way to go with the interior.
One other point is that this really doesn't appear to be an SUV to me. It's just got a huge body. Where is the ground clearance? It's just a tall car. I think the BMW X6 pushes the term "SUV" right to it's limit.
Edited by RenOHH on Thursday 1st October 18:46
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