Why don't diesel exhaust point downward anymore?

Why don't diesel exhaust point downward anymore?

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Midshipracer

Original Poster:

235 posts

182 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Unless their fumes are suddenly not as harmful.

I still see them belching out the same black smoke what gives.

The cynic in me says because there used to be a uncool sigma with diesels. Now it's superficial why they don't point downward.

Going by the VW scandal, my cynical view might be right

DickP

1,125 posts

150 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Styling drives that decision I think. Some cars have a "hidden" exhaust, tucked away under the bumper whilst the more premium model of the same car has visible exhaust tailpipe as a feature!

poing

8,743 posts

200 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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I noticed recently that over half the cars at work have no visible exhaust, no clue where they point as a result. Seems mostly the sporty stuff still shows the exhaust.

deltashad

6,731 posts

197 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Purely for aesthetics. Dontcha know diesels are clean. wink

Fleckers

2,860 posts

201 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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with hags of the 2007 era

down point exhausts no DPF
straight out exhausts DPF fitted

kambites

67,554 posts

221 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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yes Diesel particulates are far better than they used to be; down-turned exhausts don't really help with gaseous emissions.

marksx

5,052 posts

190 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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So there aren't dirty soot patches everywhere.

Midshipracer

Original Poster:

235 posts

182 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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But don't owners remove DPF? For performance

Vaud

50,450 posts

155 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Midshipracer said:
But don't owners remove DPF? For performance
Very very few...

daemon

35,814 posts

197 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Fleckers said:
with hags of the 2007 era

down point exhausts no DPF
straight out exhausts DPF fitted
Our Jag has worse than that - a styled exhaust tailpipe out the back whereas the actual exhaust points downwards further back under the bumper.

Jaguar X Type 2.2D Sport Estate, 2005, pre DPF.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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daemon said:
Our Jag has worse than that - a styled exhaust tailpipe out the back whereas the actual exhaust points downwards further back under the bumper.

Jaguar X Type 2.2D Sport Estate, 2005, pre DPF.
My S-Type was pre DPF and had these two enormous downward swept exhaust trims. The actual pipes were a much more ordinary size inside the trims but I always quite liked the way the totally OTT downswept finishers looked.

Fair enough that thing could lay down a smokescreen when you booted it though, I can see why they pointed them downwards. I also recall that downward facing exhausts were common on petrol cars in the 70s and 80s?

Edited by dme123 on Saturday 3rd October 21:49

finlo

3,759 posts

203 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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daemon said:
Our Jag has worse than that - a styled exhaust tailpipe out the back whereas the actual exhaust points downwards further back under the bumper.

Jaguar X Type 2.2D Sport Estate, 2005, pre DPF.
Mondeo st tdci is the same.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

212 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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marksx said:
So there aren't dirty soot patches everywhere.
Had the same thought, especially for those with a pristine white concrete slabbed drive. More especially for those owners that don't know that a diesel engine only warms up if it's working, and think that if they sit with engine idling on drive, the heater will heat up faster.

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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The dirty diesel downturn pipe isn't to "make emissions better" or any other bks, it was purely to hide the smog clouds by blowing them out against the dark road surface rather than letting them shoot straight out into the clear air behind the car.

The number of deluded dirty derv drivers I've met over the years is staggering, "my car doesn't give off black smoke" etc, then I'm following them out of work and they're going at it like some sort of modern day nebelwerfer.

williamp

19,255 posts

273 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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I have noticed you can look at the back of an XF Diesel and the inside of its exhaust pipes are shiney and clean. Remarkable when just a few years ago exhausts were black with soot

salguod

60 posts

122 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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williamp said:
I have noticed you can look at the back of an XF Diesel and the inside of its exhaust pipes are shiney and clean. Remarkable when just a few years ago exhausts were black with soot
It's interesting you say that. My early 2014 D2 V40 keeps its exhausts nice and clean whereas the exhausts on my dads 2015 D2 V40 are black within a day of them being cleaned. There was a series of cost cutting measures between my version and my dads version and possibly an engine change in the D2 from a PSA/Ford unit to a Volvo developed unit that may have lead to this.

In response to the OP, an R-Design would look pretty naff with the exhausts pointing downwards. wink

Monkeylegend

26,377 posts

231 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Pre DPF they were turned downwards to stop your trousers getting dirty if you stood behind with the engine running. Post DPF they no longer make your trousers dirty.

ch108

1,127 posts

133 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Back in the 90's my H reg diesel Fiestas exhaust didn't point downwards. I remember going for a replacement exhaust and the garage fitted a rear section designed for a petrol Fiesta which did point downwards, as they had run out of the rear section that I needed. I ran about with that for a week until the ordered part came in, and they swapped it over. I assume there must have been a reason that they didn't leave the point down exhaust on.

Midshipracer

Original Poster:

235 posts

182 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Well i do hope they return to downward. New or old diesel, immediately they accelerate all the deposits land on my car, annoying if I've just washed it.

I really do wish Audi ands Volvo even Ford would stop making diesels with S-Line or R-line it's encouraging themtongue out
I used to be able to tell a ST220 only to get closer and be disappointed lol

Conscript

1,378 posts

121 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Monkeylegend said:
Pre DPF they were turned downwards to stop your trousers getting dirty if you stood behind with the engine running. Post DPF they no longer make your trousers dirty.
We have a 2005 X-Trail. It doesn't have a DPF, yet the exhaust doesn't point downwards either.
Handy for generating smoke screens and giving aggressive tailgaiters lung cancer.