RE: Ferrari 599 GTB: PH Buying Guide

RE: Ferrari 599 GTB: PH Buying Guide

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Adz The Rat

13,944 posts

208 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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dank said:
shame that they were being sold around £50-60k not long back, now silly priced....
Ive never seen them that price. Mid £80k's maybe for a leggy one, but no way in the £50k's

sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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j_s14a said:
Self defeating argument, as the 599 looks like a Supra with a load of stick on boy racer tat.
Do you spend your evenings in McDonald's car parks by any chance?

sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Adz The Rat said:
Ive never seen them that price. Mid £80k's maybe for a leggy one, but no way in the £50k's
Back in 2013 I saw a few nice ones in the 80s at main dealers. Even at the time I knew it was a great deal, but I wanted a convertible so went a different route.

Of course they were never going in the 50s, that's madness.

635csi

125 posts

170 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Well here you go, one with a stick just came up in the US.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferraris/501730-c...

Yours for $599,999

635csi

125 posts

170 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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By the way, wasn't it the 550/575 Maranello which was supposed to "look like a Supra" according to Oaf in chief Clarkson J ?
I will be very upset if it's the 599 that infact does as "looking like a supra" was the only reason i bought my 575, its got one of those funny stick things too which I have no idea how to use ! Should have held out for the Toyota I suppose.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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635csi said:
By the way, wasn't it the 550/575 Maranello which was supposed to "look like a Supra" according to Oaf in chief Clarkson J ?
I will be very upset if it's the 599 that infact does as "looking like a supra" was the only reason i bought my 575, its got one of those funny stick things too which I have no idea how to use ! Should have held out for the Toyota I suppose.
I have a Supra. Never did I think it remotely resembled a Ferrari; a 550, 599 or otherwise






sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Great pic of the 599, stunning car.

Adz The Rat

13,944 posts

208 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
I have a Supra. Never did I think it remotely resembled a Ferrari; a 550, 599 or otherwise





Thats a bloody lovely Supra.

One day, I keep telling myself....

J4CKO

41,284 posts

199 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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sidesauce said:
J4CKO said:
Supra is better looking to be fair.
Er, no it's not.
Surely looks are subjective, I find the Ferrari a bit fussy, not sure about the front lights, its very impressive but I think the Supra is a nicer shape, trouble is, most get ruined, would obviously rather have the Ferrari but still think the Supra is lovely, that and the FD RX7.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Adz The Rat said:
One day, I keep telling myself....
It was on sale for a few months and I had a load of time wasters so I took it off.

Me and my friend David now have plans to take it to near 1000 bhp or as much as we can until it goes pop biggrin

Check out this baby that we bought for it





Borg Warner S471 71mm turbo.

Those wheels are 15 x 8" for comparison purposes. We're hoping to put some drag type tyres on the back to stop us slithering into the nearest fence.

biggrinbiggrinbiggrin



Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 7th October 18:27

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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I have seen dust bin lids that are smaller than that thing, fkin' hell.

j_s14a

Original Poster:

863 posts

177 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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sealtt said:
Do you spend your evenings in McDonald's car parks by any chance?
No, but I am a Supra enthusiast. Hugely underrated cars in the UK, due in no small part to:

- being covered in tasteless tat by chavs
- people who know nothing about them sticking their noses up at them because of badge snobbery or the Fast and the Furious stigma.

If people looked past the undeserved negativity, they would quickly realize that these are almost peerless cars. They Americans, Germans and Japanese really give these cars the respect they deserve, and they can fetch large sums in those markets.

Here is mine, which I would say gives that Ferrari a run for its money looks wise.




derin100

5,214 posts

242 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Beautiful car and an interesting article to read. But does this car really warrant an article entitled a "Buying Guide"...or was that titled a little tongue cheek?

Being honest...of the people who have passed comments here so far, one way or the other, who actually has enough money to buy and maintain one of these cars? I don't but reading things like advice to do your own checks for things like "creaking, worn ball-joints" etc at this level of the market would seem a bit "Plebeian" and embarrassing to me?

I would imagine a more seemly approach would be:

"Well, if the vendor isn't gentleman enough to be selling me such an expensive, rare and exotic car that I want without such issues; then I should be gentleman enough (and have ample funds available) to take him at his word and still buy the car without the need to personally check things in such a manner. If there are such issues to then quietly rectify them myself without making any mention of the fact at any later stage."

I still enjoyed the article...and what a stunning looking car.

mattf93

1,273 posts

114 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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j_s14a said:
"No, but I am a Supra enthusiast"


Well there we go then that explains the original image you uploaded.
Sorry but in my eyes I wouldn't go near a supra if there was a Ferrari 599 next to it. Thats like saying you'd sleep with vicky pollard with kelly brook standing next to her.... just can't compare Im sorry.

The Jap scene is strong I admit and I don't turn my nose up at Supras unless they have a ridiculous exhaust on them and a silly kit...
But I don't think certainly in looks, sound and pace you can compare? What power do supras have STOCK? :P

sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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j_s14a said:
Here is mine, which I would say gives that Ferrari a run for its money looks wise.

sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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derin100 said:
Beautiful car and an interesting article to read. But does this car really warrant an article entitled a "Buying Guide"...or was that titled a little tongue cheek?

Being honest...of the people who have passed comments here so far, one way or the other, who actually has enough money to buy and maintain one of these cars? I don't but reading things like advice to do your own checks for things like "creaking, worn ball-joints" etc at this level of the market would seem a bit "Plebeian" and embarrassing to me?

I would imagine a more seemly approach would be:

"Well, if the vendor isn't gentleman enough to be selling me such an expensive, rare and exotic car that I want without such issues; then I should be gentleman enough (and have ample funds available) to take him at his word and still buy the car without the need to personally check things in such a manner. If there are such issues to then quietly rectify them myself without making any mention of the fact at any later stage."

I still enjoyed the article...and what a stunning looking car.
I have actually looked at buying one of these before, in the end I went for a F430 Spider because I wanted a convertible. To be quite honest the thought of buying one of these from a private person / indie dealer would scare me too much, so I just bought from a main dealer. But I can tell you when I sold my F430 privately, I had 'regular' guys interested and they went around checking out the car corner to corner before agreeing to purchase. These 599s have shot up a bit now, but when I was looking they cost the same as the F430 and probably had similar buyers. So I'm sure there are a number of people who would find this info really helpful, even if I personally would never risk buying out of the main dealer network.

Remember on the cost side of things that these types of cars are actually often quite cheap as ownership propositions due to low/zero depreciation (if not appreciation) and are relatively reliable and covered under warranty. I had a year of motoring with that F430 Spider including a track day and plenty of spirited countryside driving, and it didn't cost me a penny - literally, even after buying from main dealer and selling privately, I still got all my costs back and didn't have to spend anything on maintenance and the appreciation in value covered my fuel & insurance. You really don't have to be a big-shot millionaire to buy one of these cars, if you buy carefully you should be able to run one as a second car for less than your 'average' person spends on their daily driver BMW 3 series.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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sealtt said:
j_s14a said:
Here is mine, which I would say gives that Ferrari a run for its money looks wise.
You would be surprised how tuneable the 2JZGTE engine is in those Supras. The block is immensley strong. 1500bhp is not unheard of.

My Supra pummeled my BMW M6 in a straight line and boost was only at 7psi. The boost controller I have fitted goes upto 17psi ......

Some are running at 45psi with giant Borg Warner turbos etc.


sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
You would be surprised how tuneable the 2JZGTE engine is in those Supras. The block is immensley strong. 1500bhp is not unheard of.

My Supra pummeled my BMW M6 in a straight line and boost was only at 7psi. The boost controller I have fitted goes upto 17psi ......

Some are running at 45psi with giant Borg Warner turbos etc.
I have no doubt that they can be made INSANELY fast - heck, I've watched the youtube videos myself! As can the M6 with it's twin turbo 4.4 V8 wink

I just think the guy is somewhat of a black sheep in thinking that his Supra looks better than the gorgeous 599 GTB.

Edited by sealtt on Wednesday 7th October 10:51

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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sealtt said:
Schermerhorn said:
You would be surprised how tuneable the 2JZGTE engine is in those Supras. The block is immensley strong. 1500bhp is not unheard of.

My Supra pummeled my BMW M6 in a straight line and boost was only at 7psi. The boost controller I have fitted goes upto 17psi ......

Some are running at 45psi with giant Borg Warner turbos etc.
I have no doubt that they can be made INSANELY fast - heck, I've watched the youtube videos myself! As can the M6 with it's twin turbo 4.4 V8 wink

I just think the guy is somewhat of a black sheep in thinking that his Supra looks better than the gorgeous 599 GTB.

Edited by sealtt on Wednesday 7th October 10:51
Haha no way does the Supra look better than the Ferrari. Infact, the 599 GTB in the colour scheme you see on the PH opening page is my dream car. The only things I would want changing is the gearbox for a 7 speed DCT system and a larger fuel tank. Other than that, the 599 is THE ultimate GT Ferrari ever made in my opinion.

PS: Mine was the V10 M6....I'm sure the F12 4.4 TT V8 M6 is insanely tuneable too!

GusB

269 posts

158 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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The fuel tank is 105 litres which I find big enough... especially when filling in a busy petrol station as can take a while...

Re running costs I have done c14,000 miles in mine and been offered more than I paid for it which is better then the M3 I had as that lost £20,000 in less miles... Servicing is c£975 at a main dealer and the extra things I have had done as this is a keeper such as changing the gearbox oil and some other elective jobs have come in at around £1000 per year. Insurance in London is £1100 per year.

My ball joints were done under warranty at c20,000 miles, there are apparently "better" after market ones which last longer, however mine are Ferrari's "new / improved" ones :-)

Apart from that they are great cars that can swallow 2 weeks worth of luggage for a European trip and still offer some "pace" when needed.

GusB



Edited by GusB on Wednesday 7th October 15:53