RE: Never wash your car again!
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waxaholic said:
The price will include a lot more than coating application.
Exactly... I had a Crystal Serum (Gtechniq) detail for my M5 and the work involved took several man days for pro detailers which must equate to 3-4 days for a keen amateur with good facilities. It was about £1k + VAT. I live down a farm track and do high mileage so the car is perpetually filthy, yet water still sheets off and it only needs a quick shampoo to look like it's just been waxed. Will report back in a few years time.Oh I like My paintwork to stay nice and not be coverd in scratches and bird lime stains etc,
But nobody pays out that sort of money unless they have an endless pot of cash,
My m8 cleans ovens for a living, you would not believe how much people spend on that !
£580 quid on one house is his record 2 arga's and a large outside bbq,
Think I might give up on spanering and go back to cleaning,
We're there's muck there money
But nobody pays out that sort of money unless they have an endless pot of cash,
My m8 cleans ovens for a living, you would not believe how much people spend on that !
£580 quid on one house is his record 2 arga's and a large outside bbq,
Think I might give up on spanering and go back to cleaning,
We're there's muck there money
Most amusing.
I've tried all these coatings over the years and come to the same conclusion.
Put any of these coatings on a 4x4 and do a seasons offroad shooting, using it properly and they last weeks not years.
I've found the best solution to be using a wax from Dodo, applied frequently, same with boats.
They will last years if you look at them in your garage!
I've tried all these coatings over the years and come to the same conclusion.
Put any of these coatings on a 4x4 and do a seasons offroad shooting, using it properly and they last weeks not years.
I've found the best solution to be using a wax from Dodo, applied frequently, same with boats.
They will last years if you look at them in your garage!
anel2ka said:
Fellas, if you've got an expensive piece of kit that you want looking after I'd recommend Minutia detailing. I wouldn't let anyone else even look at my CSL!
The guys there use this ceramic pro stuff; brings out my car something special! Liftetime guarantee too.
Small world, after I posted my last post I noticed yours. Mike did mine last weekend in Ceramic Pro.The guys there use this ceramic pro stuff; brings out my car something special! Liftetime guarantee too.
Its a car........wax it wash it ...repeat a week or so later
This marketing hype reminds me of:
Does it include electrolytes ? https://youtu.be/3boy_tLWeqA
Just call me old fassioned but it all sounds a bit fanciful to me
Oh and if its a performance car throw some stones up the side get over the small imperfect marks on the paint or and drive the thing for heavens sake !
This marketing hype reminds me of:
Does it include electrolytes ? https://youtu.be/3boy_tLWeqA
Just call me old fassioned but it all sounds a bit fanciful to me
Oh and if its a performance car throw some stones up the side get over the small imperfect marks on the paint or and drive the thing for heavens sake !
Blue Oval84 said:
So it's basically a machine correction and a ceramic sealant that costs £2,000? For that much I think I'd want a wet sand to remove all the orange peel as well.
I applied Gtecniq to my mate's M5 the other week, I did have to rush the machine correction stage, but I still think I achieved something pretty special in a total of about 12 hours, and a total cost of about £80.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
His feedback since having it done is that the bird s
t is sliding right off with a little spray of water (whereas it previously would etch into the paint), and someone actually stopped the other day and started staring at their reflection in the paint before complementing the car. I think I'll stick with Gtecniq for a bit and apply it myself 
It's essentially the same work you did, but to a more thorough standard (you said yourself you rushed the PC) and using a wider and probably more expensive range of products. You're paying for time and effort, hopefully meticulous attention to detail, plus reflecting the fact that the detailers are providing insurance, adding VAT and so on. It soon adds up.I applied Gtecniq to my mate's M5 the other week, I did have to rush the machine correction stage, but I still think I achieved something pretty special in a total of about 12 hours, and a total cost of about £80.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
His feedback since having it done is that the bird s
t is sliding right off with a little spray of water (whereas it previously would etch into the paint), and someone actually stopped the other day and started staring at their reflection in the paint before complementing the car. I think I'll stick with Gtecniq for a bit and apply it myself When you say the job 'only cost £80', when can I book you in to do mine on that basis? Thought not...
Edited by theboss on Monday 5th October 22:41
theboss said:
It's essentially the same work you did, but to a more thorough standard (you said yourself you rushed the PC) and using a wider and probably more expensive range of products. You're paying for time and effort, hopefully meticulous attention to detail, plus reflecting the fact that the detailers are providing insurance, adding VAT and so on. It soon adds up.
When you say the job 'only cost £80', when can I book you in to do mine on that basis? Thought not...
If you were my best mate I'd happily do it at cost price (assuming my time is free). When you say the job 'only cost £80', when can I book you in to do mine on that basis? Thought not...
Edited by theboss on Monday 5th October 22:41
I'm not for a minute suggesting that I think a pro should charge anywhere near to £80 for this work, I'm suggesting that given the materials cost me about £80 (and my compounds are all Menzerna, pads are Sonus, Iron X, Tardis, 3m Clay Mitts etc. I'm not exactly using T-Cut) I think £1,920 is a LOT of money for the labour and VAT etc. I've had machine correction done before I learned to do it myself and it didn't cost close to that.
For that money I would really expect something more special than a correction and seal, even from a pro.
Blue Oval84 said:
If you were my best mate I'd happily do it at cost price (assuming my time is free).
I'm not for a minute suggesting that I think a pro should charge anywhere near to £80 for this work, I'm suggesting that given the materials cost me about £80 (and my compounds are all Menzerna, pads are Sonus, Iron X, Tardis, 3m Clay Mitts etc. I'm not exactly using T-Cut) I think £1,920 is a LOT of money for the labour and VAT etc. I've had machine correction done before I learned to do it myself and it didn't cost close to that.
For that money I would really expect something more special than a correction and seal, even from a pro.
I'm not for a minute suggesting that I think a pro should charge anywhere near to £80 for this work, I'm suggesting that given the materials cost me about £80 (and my compounds are all Menzerna, pads are Sonus, Iron X, Tardis, 3m Clay Mitts etc. I'm not exactly using T-Cut) I think £1,920 is a LOT of money for the labour and VAT etc. I've had machine correction done before I learned to do it myself and it didn't cost close to that.
For that money I would really expect something more special than a correction and seal, even from a pro.
My brother is a good detailer and I have abused his time on several occasions in the past, these efforts were well documented on detailing world. He isn't quite at the legendary VXR guy's level of OCD but nonetheless we probably spent between 20 and 30 man hours each time (me helping out with some of the donkey work like removing, washing, claying and sealing each alloy). I personally don't have the time, patience, nor the indoor facilities any longer so have no choice but to 'outsource' this sort of work to professionals now, and it is essentially their time you're paying for. I suspect once you get past the £1k mark (in my case for full Gtechniq CS detail) it's very much a case of diminishing returns per hour of extra effort!
theboss said:
(me helping out with some of the donkey work like removing, washing, claying and sealing each alloy). I personally don't have the time, patience, nor the indoor facilities any longer so have no choice but to 'outsource' this sort of work to professionals now,
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