Which of these would you enjoy driving more as a daily?

[300bhp/ton]

HustleRussell said:

300bhp/ton said:

Well if mpg means nothing to you, shame on you, if you can't accept it matters to others.

Oh the irony.

What irony? Or is simple maths too difficult for you?

[HustleRussell]

Several of your recent cars don't even have catalytic converters and you're lecturing people on gas emissions

[300bhp/ton]

HustleRussell said:

Several of your recent cars don't even have catalytic converters and you're lecturing people on gas emissions

I haven't mentioned gas emissions at all. What I have done is mention I have 'x' distance to cover and can really only afford 'y' money to do so, which translates into requiring a minimum mpg.

If I did less commuter miles (or was far richer), this would not be an issue. But it is.

So again, what irony?

[300bhp/ton]

doogz said:

I suspect he means the various posts you've made where you tell people in their what car threads that MPG isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, right before you reccommend something usually interesting, but completely innappropriate.

And in such threads I normally ask first, how many miles they are doing. Or state it in the comment. And it's true.

If you are doing say 6000-8000 miles per year, mpg will have far less affect on your total cost. However I've stated in this thread that the car will be doing 14,000 - 15,000 miles a year. And on top of that I already fund an additional 8000 - 10,000 miles in other cars, of which the worst of them gets 14mpg.

[300bhp/ton]

doogz said:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you can see how it could be construed I'm sure.

Allowable total cost is up to the individual though, as you've just shown.

To some, 6000-8000 miles is a lot more than perhaps they've been doing, so they look at diesel cars or smaller engined things in an attempt to mitigate this cost, just as you're doing now.

No-one but the owner/driver in question can be the arbiter of allowable mpg!

Fully agree, which is why I often try to show some figures when making such suggestions, e.g. that 'x' car would cost you £20-30/month more to fuel based on 'y' annual mileage. I have a spreadsheet setup for doing this.

[CorvetteConvert]

300bhp, why does mpg bother you in the slightest, when you can afford to upkeep/repair, insure, service and tax 8 vehicles?
From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.

[PGNCerbera]

CorvetteConvert said:

300bhp, why does mpg bother you in the slightest, when you can afford to upkeep/repair, insure, service and tax 8 vehicles?
From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.

Exactly my point. I did suggest earlier shedding some of his cars but he ignored it because it suits him to. This way he doesn't need to face reality and instead can fight and argue with every poster.

If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat

[anonymous-user]

PGNCerbera said:

Exactly my point. I did suggest earlier shedding some of his cars but he ignored it because it suits him to. This way he doesn't need to face reality and instead can fight and argue with every poster.

If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat

I said the same. What is the point of so many projects and/or dead wood when you could consolidate and buy a decent mile muncher, you know to save money whilst getting to work? What's the point of all that mileage in anything other than a diesel repmobile? It doesn't make sense. Flog the Smart/thunderbird/Land Rover/Impreza and buy 'x' car and supercharge the Camaro?

[rallycross]

I've owned 325/330i/320d/M3 E46 models, MR2 mk2 & mk3 roadsters and most MINI's including R53-S and JCW; If I make a comment on which one to go for will you actually take on board any of the advice given on this thread op?

I think everyone is being too kind on this thread. Mr 300 has trampled over thousands upon thousands of threads on PH (some days if you look at general gassing it looks like he is commenting on every second thread) - always giving his opinion on what car threads - but without any first hand knowledge of that car, mainly just quoting info sourced from one crappy car facts site (lets call it auto5hite).

And now we have this fantastic thread, its almost a parody of all the other ones but in reverse!

I would suggest you try and find a post 2004 6 speed MR2, £2k really is the entry level point for a big mileage one but you might be lucky if prepared to travel for the right car.
If you love the Smart Roadster (I've only driven a Brabus version and the fun was ruined by the gearbox) then an MR2 roadster will be a good option, handles much like an Elise (possibly better thanks to the LSD and better build quality) cheap to run and well built/reliable for daily hack.

Downside is noisy on the motorway and no boot so NO room for remote control planes to fly at lunchtime (also no rear seats for all your friends and fans to accompany you on trips to la-la land).

Edited by rallycross on Wednesday 7th October 20:24

[CorvetteConvert]

So 300 bhp, are you going to sell some of the dead wood and get some decent cars; or even one?

[ORD]

I've never understood the mentality of people who run 5,6,7 or 8 crap cars rather than 2 or 3 good ones. You can only drive one at a time!

[anonymous-user]

ORD said:

I've never understood the mentality of people who run 5,6,7 or 8 crap cars rather than 2 or 3 good ones. You can only drive one at a time!

Have to agree with this. 300, why not sell all your cars and buy something really decent/special?

[CorvetteConvert]

ORD said:

I've never understood the mentality of people who run 5,6,7 or 8 crap cars rather than 2 or 3 good ones. You can only drive one at a time!

I agree. I run too many vehicles really, 5 at present, but i like to think they are all pretty good cars/bike. Plus, where the hell does one find room to park 8 cars?
We have a big double garage and some standing space plus a motorbike shed and we are at full capacity. 8 cars would be impossible and we have a decent plot here.

[CorvetteConvert]

300bhp, could you reply to my question and that of the other posters, as to why you have 8 cars, how you can afford to keep 8 cars (if you really do have them of course?).
Why not have 3 decent cars instead, as others have asked?

[300bhp/ton]

CorvetteConvert said:

300bhp, why does mpg bother you in the slightest

Monthly running costs. It's simple really, I need to get to work and home again. And I'd be royally screwed if I ran out of funds mid way through the month.

CorvetteConvert said:

, when you can afford to upkeep/repair, insure, service and tax 8 vehicles?

More like 5 on the road at the mo.

And some are projects, so take some of the bigger funds. The rest of the costs are fairly low, as they are all on the old road tax system.

CorvetteConvert said:

From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.

Trouble is, you can't just sell multiple cars overnight. So it ends up being too long winded, and you have 2nd thoughts.

I have often considered getting rid, but it would likely take months and months. So you could end up far worse off or least never end up replacing them.


Also, when they are not used they cost nothing to keep pretty much. And all the cars do different things, which is hard to replace with multi role vehicles.


Some examples.

I want a car that can:

- be used for off road Land Rover trials
- something to take to classic car shows in the summer
- something comfy, family sized and can be used for holidaying/touring, ideally 4x4 as you see so much more and can green lane
- something fast
- something economical that I can afford for work/commuting

I think you'd struggle to get 3 cars to do that. Even more so when you consider that all said and done, even selling everything, my budget still wouldn't be overly large.



And it's a matter of cost too. I went and test drove a new MX-5 recently, liked it very much. Now I'd never trade a car in, but out of curiosity asked them for a price on my smart Roadster. They reckoned it was worth £450 as a trade in..

Now I'd rather park it up under cover and keep it for 10 years or so, rather than take £450 quid for it now.


Similar story with the Impreza, I did have it up for sale. I had the engine rebuilt in it end of last year/early this year. Which frankly costs as much/more than what I can really sell the vehicle for at the moment. So I might as well keep it and get my monies worth out of it.

Also I think prices of classics are on the verge of starting to go up. So I could cash in now and definitely lose out. Or hold out for a couple of years and break even or come out ahead.


And there are sentimental reasons too.

[300bhp/ton]

PGNCerbera said:

CorvetteConvert said:

300bhp, why does mpg bother you in the slightest, when you can afford to upkeep/repair, insure, service and tax 8 vehicles?
From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.

Exactly my point. I did suggest earlier shedding some of his cars but he ignored it because it suits him to. This way he doesn't need to face reality and instead can fight and argue with every poster.

If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat

Why do you think I won't buy something?


That aside, what vehicles would you suggest then? And how would you suggest transitioning from one state of affairs to another?

[anonymous-user]

300bhp/ton said:

- be used for off road Land Rover trials
- something to take to classic car shows in the summer
- something comfy, family sized and can be used for holidaying/touring, ideally 4x4 as you see so much more and can green lane
- something fast
- something economical that I can afford for work/commuting

I suggest a 1970s AMC Pacer. Should handle all the above with ease.

[300bhp/ton]

yonex said:

PGNCerbera said:

Exactly my point. I did suggest earlier shedding some of his cars but he ignored it because it suits him to. This way he doesn't need to face reality and instead can fight and argue with every poster.

If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat

I said the same. What is the point of so many projects and/or dead wood when you could consolidate and buy a decent mile muncher, you know to save money whilst getting to work? What's the point of all that mileage in anything other than a diesel repmobile? It doesn't make sense. Flog the Smart/thunderbird/Land Rover/Impreza and buy 'x' car and supercharge the Camaro?

T-Bird is not worth flogging, I only paid £120 for it. It has no engine or gearbox in it. It's sitting out of the way, costs £0.00 to keep and isn't worth selling.

As I just posted above, the smart isn't really worth a huge amount to sell. And why on Earth would I want to waste my life sitting in a diesel rembile? You've got to be fking mental to spend hours of your life in a dull car, when you can drive something slightly more interesting.

Land Rover is not currently in a sellable state as it's being rebuilt, so that's not even a remote possibility.

Impreza I've just explained, the only way to really sell it is to loose out financially.


But taking your example.


T-Bird = £120
Roadster = £1k maybe
Impreza = £2k maybe


That's only £3k. Even if I completed the Land Rover and sold it for £2.5k that still wouldn't be enough to supercharge the Camaro, let alone buy a boring car too. And I'd then not be able to compete in Land Rover trials.

I can't really see the positives in this plan.

[300bhp/ton]

St John Smythe said:

ORD said:

I've never understood the mentality of people who run 5,6,7 or 8 crap cars rather than 2 or 3 good ones. You can only drive one at a time!

Have to agree with this. 300, why not sell all your cars and buy something really decent/special?

Such as?

[300bhp/ton]

CorvetteConvert said:

So 300 bhp, are you going to sell some of the dead wood and get some decent cars; or even one?

Why be insulting? I think for my means and budget my cars are more than descent. We can't all be rich fkers.