Which of these would you enjoy driving more as a daily?
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jackh707 said:
Ive had my R53 for a couple of years now.
The mpg however is starting to annoy me. At the moment I sometimes drive 400-500 miles a week. In reality that'll equate to 2-3 fillups. I'm not bothered about the money, its that the tank is relatively small and I have to fill it up every few days.
That's a good point, and something I was pondering on my way in this morning.The mpg however is starting to annoy me. At the moment I sometimes drive 400-500 miles a week. In reality that'll equate to 2-3 fillups. I'm not bothered about the money, its that the tank is relatively small and I have to fill it up every few days.
Do you know what size tank the MINI (or any of the others) have?
My Roadster will comfortably do 320 miles on a tank. I'd like to be able to do at least this many on a fill up if possible.
yonex said:
TheJimi said:
Eh?
You do realise that Yonex is referring to the MR2 Roadster, ie the Mk3?
Firstly, it's way less rust prone than the MX5's of similar vintage.
Secondly, "The MR2 weighs loads more than a Clio 182"
So, a Clio 182 weighs less than 950kg?
You do realise that Yonex is referring to the MR2 Roadster, ie the Mk3?
Firstly, it's way less rust prone than the MX5's of similar vintage.
Secondly, "The MR2 weighs loads more than a Clio 182"
So, a Clio 182 weighs less than 950kg?
The main issue I think with the mk3 was precats? I know they were labelled as a hairdressers car years back but everyone I know who has driven one has liked them. If you can put up with the storage space, which is limited, it's a decent bet. The prices are on the floor as well.
One of these in it's box fits in the boot of the smart Roadster, I think the MR2 it would be relegated to the front seat, but that causes it's own issues.
doogz said:
Says the guy that reckons 106 GTis are crap based on his extensive experience of never having driven one.
If you are going to continue to make stuff up, please leave the thread, as I'll not bother speaking to you. For the record and as you know full well, I never said anything of the sort. What I said was "I don't get the appeal".That's my opinion, if you can't deal with it, kindly f
k off.doogz said:
How cheap are R56s these days?
I preferred the turbo engine tbh (and i don't normally), and the economy was vastly better, 40mpg wasn't difficult to achieve.
A bit out of my budget. I had a good look at these at the main dealer a few years back.I preferred the turbo engine tbh (and i don't normally), and the economy was vastly better, 40mpg wasn't difficult to achieve.
I think the trouble is, I just prefer the look of the R53 and the appeal of a supercharger. Even if it is an inferior package overall or dynamically.
Trying to find out tank sizes at the moment, as that is a practical consideration. I don't really drive past any easily accessible petrol stations on the commute, so have to make a detour or go after work for fuel. This in itself isn't a major issue, but it adds time, effort and additional unneeded miles (to the petrol station and back).
My Impreza needs two visits each week if I use it for commuting (maybe 3 times, if I also use it for non commuter mileage in the evenings). I'd prefer to only go once a week if possible.
doogz said:
I struggle to believe driving to a petrol station twice a week is really an issue. And surely it's can't be much of a drive?
Just an annoyance. The closest station is in the nearest town, but that means going completely the wrong direction for work, or on the way home driving past my house to then go and get fuel. And sometimes you just can't be bothered. Like last night for instance, got held up in a load of traffic heading home, took 1h 30mins+ to get back. It was about 8pm and I'd been gone from the house for well over 12hrs in total.I do pass by one petrol station, but prices are way higher there than elsewhere and it has a horrid slip road exit back onto the dual carriage way. There are accidents every week on that slip road, so I tend to avoid driving it unless I have too.
Some Gump said:
OP,
Have you considered one of these?
Most certainly have. But I'd want a 4x4 quad cab 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins ... or a Ford Lightning. Neither sadly good enough on fuel for the commute Have you considered one of these?
But yes in all honesty I have considered them, and even the 'man maths' can't get the figures close enough to being viable.
egor110 said:
TheJimi said:
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yonex said:
Isn't a Clio a gamble at that money? If it has to be fun then Mx5, Mr2 (roadster) otherwise the sensible choice is something not fun and barge like...S60 
Not really, go for a mr2 and you have the risk of rust same with the mx5.Edited by yonex on Tuesday 6th October 23:27
The mr2 weighs loads more than a clio 182 ( not the cup) is a second slower to 60 ( if you bother with these ) and has a lower top speed.
You do realise that Yonex is referring to the MR2 Roadster, ie the Mk3?
Firstly, it's way less rust prone than the MX5's of similar vintage.
Secondly, "The MR2 weighs loads more than a Clio 182"
Really? So, a Clio 182 weighs less than 950kg?
Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 7th October 10:44
more like 1030kg http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-fi...
As it is, the MR2 clearly doesn't weigh "loads more" than the 182.
Next?
Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 7th October 15:51
As I said this thread is suggestions for the original poster, it makes no difference to me what he buys and i've no interest in futile online wars over which is better mr2 or 182.
The MR2 is fine, but lack of boot space would be an issue and I'd personally rather the MK2, even if it isn't as sharp a drive.
Still undecided at the moment, although not in any great rush.
PGNCerbera said:
Big difference between you and me pal is that....you're very, very different to me. Wildly so. I don't choose cars based on MPG.
You seem to be bricking yourself about it though and this is informing your decision.
I'm betting you buy none of the cars in the op
Well if mpg means nothing to you, you either don't do any sort of miles, or are simply rich enough and arrogant enough not to care about it. Either way, shame on you, if you can't accept it matters to others.You seem to be bricking yourself about it though and this is informing your decision.
I'm betting you buy none of the cars in the op
HustleRussell said:
Several of your recent cars don't even have catalytic converters and you're lecturing people on gas emissions
If I did less commuter miles (or was far richer), this would not be an issue. But it is.
So again, what irony?
doogz said:
I suspect he means the various posts you've made where you tell people in their what car threads that MPG isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, right before you reccommend something usually interesting, but completely innappropriate.
And in such threads I normally ask first, how many miles they are doing. Or state it in the comment. And it's true.If you are doing say 6000-8000 miles per year, mpg will have far less affect on your total cost. However I've stated in this thread that the car will be doing 14,000 - 15,000 miles a year. And on top of that I already fund an additional 8000 - 10,000 miles in other cars, of which the worst of them gets 14mpg.
doogz said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you can see how it could be construed I'm sure.
Allowable total cost is up to the individual though, as you've just shown.
To some, 6000-8000 miles is a lot more than perhaps they've been doing, so they look at diesel cars or smaller engined things in an attempt to mitigate this cost, just as you're doing now.
No-one but the owner/driver in question can be the arbiter of allowable mpg!
Fully agree, which is why I often try to show some figures when making such suggestions, e.g. that 'x' car would cost you £20-30/month more to fuel based on 'y' annual mileage. I have a spreadsheet setup for doing this.Allowable total cost is up to the individual though, as you've just shown.
To some, 6000-8000 miles is a lot more than perhaps they've been doing, so they look at diesel cars or smaller engined things in an attempt to mitigate this cost, just as you're doing now.
No-one but the owner/driver in question can be the arbiter of allowable mpg!
CorvetteConvert said:
300bhp, why does mpg bother you in the slightest
Monthly running costs. It's simple really, I need to get to work and home again. And I'd be royally screwed if I ran out of funds mid way through the month.CorvetteConvert said:
, when you can afford to upkeep/repair, insure, service and tax 8 vehicles?
More like 5 on the road at the mo.And some are projects, so take some of the bigger funds. The rest of the costs are fairly low, as they are all on the old road tax system.
CorvetteConvert said:
From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.
Trouble is, you can't just sell multiple cars overnight. So it ends up being too long winded, and you have 2nd thoughts.I have often considered getting rid, but it would likely take months and months. So you could end up far worse off or least never end up replacing them.
Also, when they are not used they cost nothing to keep pretty much. And all the cars do different things, which is hard to replace with multi role vehicles.
Some examples.
I want a car that can:
- be used for off road Land Rover trials
- something to take to classic car shows in the summer
- something comfy, family sized and can be used for holidaying/touring, ideally 4x4 as you see so much more and can green lane
- something fast
- something economical that I can afford for work/commuting
I think you'd struggle to get 3 cars to do that. Even more so when you consider that all said and done, even selling everything, my budget still wouldn't be overly large.
And it's a matter of cost too. I went and test drove a new MX-5 recently, liked it very much. Now I'd never trade a car in, but out of curiosity asked them for a price on my smart Roadster. They reckoned it was worth £450 as a trade in..
Now I'd rather park it up under cover and keep it for 10 years or so, rather than take £450 quid for it now.
Similar story with the Impreza, I did have it up for sale. I had the engine rebuilt in it end of last year/early this year. Which frankly costs as much/more than what I can really sell the vehicle for at the moment. So I might as well keep it and get my monies worth out of it.
Also I think prices of classics are on the verge of starting to go up. So I could cash in now and definitely lose out. Or hold out for a couple of years and break even or come out ahead.
And there are sentimental reasons too.
PGNCerbera said:
CorvetteConvert said:
300bhp, why does mpg bother you in the slightest, when you can afford to upkeep/repair, insure, service and tax 8 vehicles?
From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.
Exactly my point. I did suggest earlier shedding some of his cars but he ignored it because it suits him to. This way he doesn't need to face reality and instead can fight and argue with every poster. From what you write the best thing you could do would be to sell 5 of them and have 3 really great cars that cover all your bases and needs and desires.
If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat
That aside, what vehicles would you suggest then? And how would you suggest transitioning from one state of affairs to another?
yonex said:
PGNCerbera said:
Exactly my point. I did suggest earlier shedding some of his cars but he ignored it because it suits him to. This way he doesn't need to face reality and instead can fight and argue with every poster.
If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat
I said the same. What is the point of so many projects and/or dead wood when you could consolidate and buy a decent mile muncher, you know to save money whilst getting to work? What's the point of all that mileage in anything other than a diesel repmobile? It doesn't make sense. Flog the Smart/thunderbird/Land Rover/Impreza and buy 'x' car and supercharge the Camaro? If he actually follows through and buys something I'll eat my hat
As I just posted above, the smart isn't really worth a huge amount to sell. And why on Earth would I want to waste my life sitting in a diesel rembile? You've got to be f
king mental to spend hours of your life in a dull car, when you can drive something slightly more interesting.Land Rover is not currently in a sellable state as it's being rebuilt, so that's not even a remote possibility.
Impreza I've just explained, the only way to really sell it is to loose out financially.
But taking your example.
T-Bird = £120
Roadster = £1k maybe
Impreza = £2k maybe
That's only £3k. Even if I completed the Land Rover and sold it for £2.5k that still wouldn't be enough to supercharge the Camaro, let alone buy a boring car too. And I'd then not be able to compete in Land Rover trials.
I can't really see the positives in this plan.
CorvetteConvert said:
300bhp, could you reply to my question and that of the other posters, as to why you have 8 cars, how you can afford to keep 8 cars (if you really do have them of course?).
Why not have 3 decent cars instead, as others have asked?
TR7 = bought in 2001 for £1500. Converted to V8 in 2001, ran as daily. Never saw the need to sell it. Take it to classics cars shows, autosolos and other events. This was my 2nd TR7, first being bought in 1999 for £1500. Including buying both cars and all mods and work over the years I think it's cost £10-12k, but all of this was spread out and no large payments.Why not have 3 decent cars instead, as others have asked?
I was at uni when I bought the car.
Camaro = the only inheritance money I got I bought this car, forget the year. 2003/4. I paid £7500 for it. Most expensive car I've owned. Has cost peanuts to keep.
Impreza = Bought off a mate for £1600 as at the time I needed a four door family car. The AWD was handy as an extra means to get to work. Engine went on it. Car was too tidy to scrap and scrapping would mean I'd lose out on what I paid for it. I could break it, but that's long winded, a lot of effort and I didn't. I looked at 2nd hand engines and they all went for £800-1200 and obviously come with risk. In the end I spent about £2k getting the engine rebuilt by API Impreza. So I'd like to keep it to at least get some return on the outlay. Had I have known the engine would need rebuilding, I may not have bought it.
Land Rover 88 = Was given to me in exchange for a debt owed (debt £600). I used it for a bit, until I bent the rear cross member recovering a Defender at trial. On trying to replace the cross member it was apparent it needed a new chassis. So it is currently being rebuilt with a replacement chassis. I 'may' consider selling it once it's finished. But in pieces it's not worth much.
Other Land Rover 88 special = Modified for competition use. More of off road than on road use. Currently in a friends workshop, as it's about 90% complete. But haven't had time to work on it recently due to rebuilding the other Land Rover. When this one is up and running, it will make the decision on selling the other. This is a competition vehicle.
T-Bird = bought on a whim for £120 off ebay. No real reason other than wild ideas. Someone had just keyed my Camaro and badly damaged the entire side. I had thoughts of a rat rod style Yank that I wouldn't mind parking places. However things changed (I used to park for the station, where Camaro was damaged). But transferred offices and starting driving to work. T-Bird is worth £80-100 scrap, so really it can just sit there for now, not worth weighing in. And I may yet do something with it.
Roadster = bought for commuting. At the time I was working on client site and doing 190 miles a day, so I wanted something good on fuel. This is the only car I've bought on finance (all paid off several years ago). I got a good deal on the car as my brother worked at a Kia Dealership, who were selling the car. I also wangled a deal under the scrappage scheme to get shot of the car I had at the time with someone who was buying a new Kia. I've more than had my monies worth out of the Roadster. But I've done a lot of miles in it now.
Range Rover = bought recently (couple of months ago). Because I was in a situation to do so. My aim was to replace the Impreza, as frankly I was finding I wasn't enjoying the Subaru as much as I thought I would. I also found when away on holiday it prevented me doing certain things that you need a 4x4 for. Also people I carried in the back of the Subaru complained about forward visibility as the front seats are wide. So sort of defeated the point of having it as a family wagon. I also bought the Range Rover as my girl friend says the Series III Land Rover is too tall to get in and out of and the Roadster too low.
In terms of outlay.
Purchase prices:
TR7 = £1500
88 = £600
other 88 = £125
T-Bird = £120
Range Rover = £2500
Subaru = £1600
Camaro = £7500
Roadster = £3200
Does that answer your question?
And for the record, I don't have wealthy parents, or anyone else to help me out or give me money. There is nobody. I've never been given loads of money and the only inheritance was £5k, which I put towards the Camaro, £1k I already had and I had to borrow the last £1500.
I'm not a property owner either.
Given my starting point and means I think I've done ok. Sure I could have bought a 3 year old 1.6 Focus for about the same money total. But that'd be pretty boring.
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