Which of these would you enjoy driving more as a daily?
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egor110 said:
How many cars can you sell a year before you become a trader and have to give warranties?
You don't have to give warranties at all. However like all things, trade sales are covered under SOGA.I/we have tended to stick to the lower end of the market, e.g shedding/bangernomics.
So warranties are really a prime concern.
PGNCerbera said:
300bhp/ton said:
You don't have to give warranties at all.
So warranties are really a prime concern.
please elaborate?So warranties are really a prime concern.
Such things have been covered a million times in GG or Speed, plod & the law forums. And even more across the web.
Do a search, it's not rocket science.
300bhp/ton said:
BMW e46 323/325i manual
EDIT: Typo, should have said e46, not 36!
Toyota MR2 MK2 GT 2.0 n/a
MINI Cooper S R53
They can all be had for a similar budget, the BMW the cheapest and the MINI the most expensive, but similar ball park price.
They all claim to do similar mpg and have similar'ish performance.
Overall, which do you think would be the most fun to drive daily, offer the most hassle free motoring and the lowest total running costs.
No.EDIT: Typo, should have said e46, not 36!
Toyota MR2 MK2 GT 2.0 n/a
MINI Cooper S R53
They can all be had for a similar budget, the BMW the cheapest and the MINI the most expensive, but similar ball park price.
They all claim to do similar mpg and have similar'ish performance.
Overall, which do you think would be the most fun to drive daily, offer the most hassle free motoring and the lowest total running costs.
Such things have been covered a million times in GG. And even more across the web.
Do a search, it's not rocket science.
(It's a f
king rude thing to say, don't you think? You really do have the social skills of a spoilt child.)Just to elaborate - as far as I'm aware there is no such thing as a 'trade sale' - its just a phrase some dealers use to try and get out of their statutory obligations under SOGA.
There is no requirement for any dealer to give warranties for any reason.
There is an obligation under SOGA that the vehicle is of merchantable quality given its age and mileage and is fit for purpose.
This means that if a vehicle has 200,000 miles on it you have no recourse if the clutch fails providing there is no way the dealer could have known about it as at that age its not unreasonable for a clutch to fail.
It the car had 20,000 miles on it and the clutch failed then you would have some recourse to seek a repair as that would not reasonably be expected on a car of that age.
The key here is what is reasonable given the age, condition and mileage of the vehicle.
Similarly unless a car is sold with no MOT there is a reasonable expectation that it is roadworthy. You get the idea.
There is no requirement for any dealer to give warranties for any reason.
There is an obligation under SOGA that the vehicle is of merchantable quality given its age and mileage and is fit for purpose.
This means that if a vehicle has 200,000 miles on it you have no recourse if the clutch fails providing there is no way the dealer could have known about it as at that age its not unreasonable for a clutch to fail.
It the car had 20,000 miles on it and the clutch failed then you would have some recourse to seek a repair as that would not reasonably be expected on a car of that age.
The key here is what is reasonable given the age, condition and mileage of the vehicle.
Similarly unless a car is sold with no MOT there is a reasonable expectation that it is roadworthy. You get the idea.
PGNCerbera said:
Helpful.
Well you frequent GG enough, that I'm sure you know, as it has been typed and talked about a lot.But it's as lostwiki said. There is no obligation to offer any kind of warranty. In fact most traders don't, only larger ones, selling newer cars will. And often they sell 3rd party warranties, as the cost of covering them would be too great themselves.
Most 3rd party warranties will only cover certain types of cars and not when they reach a certain age, so warranting a 10-20 year old shed is not viable for the most part.
As a seller you have responsibilities. That the item, aka a car in this instance should be fairly and where possible as accurately described as possible.
You obviously can't deliberately mislead or without info.
The rest is covered by SOGA under "reasonable" and fit for purpose vs cost.
300bhp/ton said:
No.
Such things have been covered a million times in GG or Speed, plod & the law forums. And even more across the web.
Do a search, it's not rocket science.
What car should I buy, Such things have been covered a million times in GG. And even more across the web.Such things have been covered a million times in GG or Speed, plod & the law forums. And even more across the web.
Do a search, it's not rocket science.
Do a search, its not rocket science.
300bhp/ton said:
Fine, show me a another tread comparing these 3 cars then. I'm willing to bet you won't find one. As for stroppy, I could never match you.
Great comeback. No, that's fine, as you are the first to tell all and sundry that what they want isn't the right choice I hope you are finding this thread suitably baffling. Isn't it time for another one of your flounces?Enjoy arguing with yourself.
How's the search going?
I've been looking at 330is myself (albeit E90s) but if you don't mind a saloon instead of a coupe, a 330i Sport is well within budget and IMHO one of the best-looking saloons of the last 20 years.
If you like your Smart but a slightly different take on it, how about a Suzuki Cappuccino or Honda Beat? If you can find a rust-free one, both look a lot of fun, should be reliable and very cheap to run. There's some on www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk and a red Cappuccino for 3k with apparently 25,000 miles!
Has an MX5 been mentioned yet and if so, why have you dismissed it? You could easily get a decent mk1 or mk2 for 2k. I had a 2003 mk2 and never really bonded it but a tidy mk1 still appeals and just looking at it would make me want to jump in and go for a drive! MGF VVC too possibly (I see you have had one before). Very economical apparently and a nice ride on that Hydragas suspension but I think the hood design and build quality is a bit better on the Mazda. If I didn't need 4 doors, 4 seats and a big boot, one of those four would be where my money went.
I've also heard you talk about Celica 190s recently. Good choice! I test drove one when I bought the MX5 and it would have been my second choice (similar performance to a DC2 but half the insurance). I really wanted a DC2/EP3 Type-R but couldn't afford to pay 3k for insurance, so in the end the RWD sports roadster won out for me as a 24 year old single guy! For my money, the RWD roadsters would be more fun if not as practical as the Celica though.
I've been looking at 330is myself (albeit E90s) but if you don't mind a saloon instead of a coupe, a 330i Sport is well within budget and IMHO one of the best-looking saloons of the last 20 years.
If you like your Smart but a slightly different take on it, how about a Suzuki Cappuccino or Honda Beat? If you can find a rust-free one, both look a lot of fun, should be reliable and very cheap to run. There's some on www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk and a red Cappuccino for 3k with apparently 25,000 miles!
Has an MX5 been mentioned yet and if so, why have you dismissed it? You could easily get a decent mk1 or mk2 for 2k. I had a 2003 mk2 and never really bonded it but a tidy mk1 still appeals and just looking at it would make me want to jump in and go for a drive! MGF VVC too possibly (I see you have had one before). Very economical apparently and a nice ride on that Hydragas suspension but I think the hood design and build quality is a bit better on the Mazda. If I didn't need 4 doors, 4 seats and a big boot, one of those four would be where my money went.
I've also heard you talk about Celica 190s recently. Good choice! I test drove one when I bought the MX5 and it would have been my second choice (similar performance to a DC2 but half the insurance). I really wanted a DC2/EP3 Type-R but couldn't afford to pay 3k for insurance, so in the end the RWD sports roadster won out for me as a 24 year old single guy! For my money, the RWD roadsters would be more fun if not as practical as the Celica though.
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