RE: VW Golf R Revo Technik: Driven
Discussion
PK0001 said:
Surely nobody buys these with their own money.
Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
I just checked your profile and was quite amused to see that you have a Subaru Impreza. Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
You do realise that everything that people are saying about the Golf R was said about the Impreza back in the day, yes?
As for personality and charm, not really a criteria for me for a daily driver. I have personality and charm in bucket-loads on my weekend car.
Horses for courses and all that.
PK0001 said:
Surely nobody buys these with their own money.
Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
I couldn't disagree more, although the initial point i'd accept.Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
Never had any interest in these cars until the press started raving about them when the 7.5 arrived, i then spent many hours digesting the content & decided i just had to see what all the fuss was about.
Glad i did doesn't even come close. Spent a few weeks tracking down a favourable Lease deal late last Summer & my 7.5R Estate arrived last October.
I'm truly in awe of this car, to the degree that i'll either extend the 2yr lease next October for as long as is possible (if the price is right), or just buy it outright as this car is absolutely a keeper.
To put some context behind this, i'm just about the right side of 50, have owned numerous Performance cars (BMW M's & Audi RS's etc.) & i had an A8 stablemate for the Golf R up until July this year, but got rid of the A8 as i wanted to only drive the Golf.
Of course they won't be everyone's cup of tea, but for the money they cost vs' the performance & experience they offer, their's very little that comes even close.
PK0001 said:
Surely nobody buys these with their own money.
Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
I thought the idea with the various finance options was to hand it back after the term had elapsed ?Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
Imprezas are great but dont make out that are like some rare vintage Ferrari and the Golf is devoid of any merit in comparison, they are a lot more than "White goods".
J4CKO said:
Imprezas are great but dont make out that are like some rare vintage Ferrari and the Golf is devoid of any merit in comparison, they are a lot more than "White goods".
Also, it's been a long long time since the Editor's Pick in the car data / buying guide / Good, Bad & Ugly sections of Evo, CAR, AutoCar, etc. has been an Impreza. Yet the Golf R held the top spot in all of them for month after month in the Hot Hatch section. I've got no particular axe to grind here, other than the fact that peoples' disparaging remarks and uninformed dismissive attitude annoy me. I'm totally cool with "They do nothing for me and aren't my cup of tea" but I'm not cool with "they are crap white goods and anyone who drives one is a chav / t
t / tool / has a small brain / isn't a proper car enthusiast". Clockwork Cupcake said:
J4CKO said:
Imprezas are great but dont make out that are like some rare vintage Ferrari and the Golf is devoid of any merit in comparison, they are a lot more than "White goods".
Also, it's been a long long time since the Editor's Pick in the car data / buying guide / Good, Bad & Ugly sections of Evo, CAR, AutoCar, etc. has been an Impreza. Yet the Golf R held the top spot in all of them for month after month in the Hot Hatch section. I've got no particular axe to grind here, other than the fact that peoples' disparaging remarks and uninformed dismissive attitude annoy me. I'm totally cool with "They do nothing for me and aren't my cup of tea" but I'm not cool with "they are crap white goods and anyone who drives one is a chav / t
t / tool / has a small brain / isn't a proper car enthusiast". And becoming much more prevalent on PH these days.
Deep Thought said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
J4CKO said:
Imprezas are great but dont make out that are like some rare vintage Ferrari and the Golf is devoid of any merit in comparison, they are a lot more than "White goods".
Also, it's been a long long time since the Editor's Pick in the car data / buying guide / Good, Bad & Ugly sections of Evo, CAR, AutoCar, etc. has been an Impreza. Yet the Golf R held the top spot in all of them for month after month in the Hot Hatch section. I've got no particular axe to grind here, other than the fact that peoples' disparaging remarks and uninformed dismissive attitude annoy me. I'm totally cool with "They do nothing for me and aren't my cup of tea" but I'm not cool with "they are crap white goods and anyone who drives one is a chav / t
t / tool / has a small brain / isn't a proper car enthusiast". - Yes I did have a Golf R, it was great, and I don't consider myself to be any of the above options.
w8pmc said:
PK0001 said:
Surely nobody buys these with their own money.
Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
I couldn't disagree more, although the initial point i'd accept.Use somebody else's and then throw it away after 3 years.
It's the perfect car if you treat it like white goods.
It does not have the personality or the charm to be a keeper.
Never had any interest in these cars until the press started raving about them when the 7.5 arrived, i then spent many hours digesting the content & decided i just had to see what all the fuss was about.
Glad i did doesn't even come close. Spent a few weeks tracking down a favourable Lease deal late last Summer & my 7.5R Estate arrived last October.
I'm truly in awe of this car, to the degree that i'll either extend the 2yr lease next October for as long as is possible (if the price is right), or just buy it outright as this car is absolutely a keeper.
To put some context behind this, i'm just about the right side of 50, have owned numerous Performance cars (BMW M's & Audi RS's etc.) & i had an A8 stablemate for the Golf R up until July this year, but got rid of the A8 as i wanted to only drive the Golf.
Of course they won't be everyone's cup of tea, but for the money they cost vs' the performance & experience they offer, their's very little that comes even close.
The cheap lease deals on the 7, 7.5 and estate created new markets for the R but not for the enthusiast.
VW funded the lease deals and made them easy to acquire and dispose of.
Good cars but for me only as a second car that I could not feel any affection for.
J4CKO said:
I thought the idea with the various finance options was to hand it back after the term had elapsed ?
Imprezas are great but dont make out that are like some rare vintage Ferrari and the Golf is devoid of any merit in comparison, they are a lot more than "White goods".
Well, Imprezas have character, Golfs don't. Imprezas are relatively cheap, Golfs aren't. Imprezas provide an interesting drive, Golfs don't. Both are fast, in tuned form, and as the article on which this thread is based suggests it's only that extra tuning that makes the somewhat dull Golf R a lot more interesting. Imprezas are great but dont make out that are like some rare vintage Ferrari and the Golf is devoid of any merit in comparison, they are a lot more than "White goods".
In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK). You'd be hard pushed to identify anywhere the extra £8000 for the Golf had gone - and this is the most basic model so no blingey alloys, coloured brakes or body styling extras.
popeyewhite said:
Imprezas are relatively cheap, Golfs aren't.
In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK).
I would have thought a more direct comparison would have been a Golf R -> Subaru STi, and they're both a similar price at around £32K....In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK).
Deep Thought said:
popeyewhite said:
Imprezas are relatively cheap, Golfs aren't.
In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK).
I would have thought a more direct comparison would have been a Golf R -> Subaru STi, and they're both a similar price at around £32K....In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK).
PK0001 said:
Had a Golf R. Not for me, cold and clinical.
The cheap lease deals on the 7, 7.5 and estate created new markets for the R but not for the enthusiast.
VW funded the lease deals and made them easy to acquire and dispose of.
Good cars but for me only as a second car that I could not feel any affection for.
Boom, VW did a sterling job then as have created a market for those who previously had no interest in VW's (warm/hot) models. The lure of low cost won me over & since that point the car itself has astonished me. Cold & clinical are the last descriptive words i could apply to my warm Estate, but hey ho.The cheap lease deals on the 7, 7.5 and estate created new markets for the R but not for the enthusiast.
VW funded the lease deals and made them easy to acquire and dispose of.
Good cars but for me only as a second car that I could not feel any affection for.
Good job we all like different things, be a boring world without this. My R Estate was the 2nd car & yet it wowed me in so many ways it got promoted & that's a first in my long line of fairly decent metal ownership, Can honestly say i prefer this car to some that cost me 3 times the price to acquire.
w8pmc said:
My R Estate was the 2nd car & yet it wowed me in so many ways it got promoted & that's a first in my long line of fairly decent metal ownership, Can honestly say i prefer this car to some that cost me 3 times the price to acquire.
Ditto. It's just a fantastic thing to live with.popeyewhite said:
Deep Thought said:
popeyewhite said:
Imprezas are relatively cheap, Golfs aren't.
In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK).
I would have thought a more direct comparison would have been a Golf R -> Subaru STi, and they're both a similar price at around £32K....In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK).
Golf R 5 door starts at £35K, STI is £32K. Golf can be got for £29K ish after discounts. I dont think you can get a discount on the STI.
https://www.drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/VOLKSWA...
The point being that there isnt the massive chasm between the GTI and WRX and the R and the STI in terms of price. Certainly not the £8,000 you were pitching.
Edited by Deep Thought on Tuesday 20th November 14:53
popeyewhite said:
Well, Imprezas have character, Golfs don't. Imprezas are relatively cheap, Golfs aren't. Imprezas provide an interesting drive, Golfs don't. Both are fast, in tuned form, and as the article on which this thread is based suggests it's only that extra tuning that makes the somewhat dull Golf R a lot more interesting.
Fair enough. Each to their own. I've always found Imprezas to be a bit "have something to prove" as do their owners. Especially the owners in puffer jackets with 555 on them (showing my age here). Incidentally, what characterful interesting car do you drive? You don't list anything on your profile.
(genuine question, btw)
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Fair enough. Each to their own. I've always found Imprezas to be a bit "have something to prove" as do their owners. Especially the owners in puffer jackets with 555 on them (showing my age here).
Incidentally, what characterful interesting car do you drive? You don't list anything on your profile.
(genuine question, btw)
I thought, 555 wasn't THAT long ago was it? Blimey from 1993. Makes me feel old. Anyway, Impreza owners only feel as you describe as they live in the shadow called Mitsubishi Incidentally, what characterful interesting car do you drive? You don't list anything on your profile.
(genuine question, btw)
I drive the R's cousin from Audi. For me it makes a very good family car. Ticks all the boxes. Revo map on mine? Yeh maybe one day. Unless I succumb to an RS3.....
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Fair enough. Each to their own. I've always found Imprezas to be a bit "have something to prove" as do their owners. Especially the owners in puffer jackets with 555 on them (showing my age here).
I hope you're not stereotyping. 
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Incidentally, what characterful interesting car do you drive? You don't list anything on your profile.
(genuine question, btw)
I have owned both Imprezzas (no jacket, only watched McRae on TV) and Golfs. I currently own a Mercedes and a 4x4, and a pushbike. I guess sometime I should place something on my profile, people seem to like the information it provides about posters.(genuine question, btw)
popeyewhite said:
Deep Thought said:
The point being that there isnt the massive chasm between the GTI and WRX and the R and the STI in terms of price. Certainly not the £8,000 you were pitching.
Prices quoted were from the manufacturers website. You're clearly not going to take on board the point that you werent comparing apples with apples, so i'm leaving it at that.
popeyewhite said:
In fact it's astonishing a new Imprezza Turbo WRX costs roughly £24.000 (Subaru UK) and a new most basic Golf R costs roughly £32.000 (VW UK). You'd be hard pushed to identify anywhere the extra £8000 for the Golf had gone - and this is the most basic model so no blingey alloys, coloured brakes or body styling extras.
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