RE: BMW M4 GTS - full details
Discussion
If one must have 500 bhp and a BMW then I would be looking at a E60 M5... fair enough not new - V10 has gearbox gremlins and they are older technology - but you could have a well sorted, warranted one for less than half of the M4 GTS. Sure the dynamics won't be as good but would the M4 provide twice the thrills? It will never sound as good as that V10 that's for certain...
It may be poor value for money but all of them will be pre-sold with ease and I imagine many of them wont ever see a track.
As previously mentioned, a remapped M4 with some trick dampers, new brakes and lightweight seats surely wouldnt be too far behind BUT we are then missing one thing: This thing wont depreciate at all and esepecially not like your modified un-sellable M4 would.
Will make a great car for instagram videos of convoys to KFC etc.
As previously mentioned, a remapped M4 with some trick dampers, new brakes and lightweight seats surely wouldnt be too far behind BUT we are then missing one thing: This thing wont depreciate at all and esepecially not like your modified un-sellable M4 would.
Will make a great car for instagram videos of convoys to KFC etc.
Edited by Rick1.8t on Wednesday 7th October 10:28
Maxus said:
This all sounds very 2003.......
"That new M3 CSL, what a joke. Costs 50% more than the standard car and isn't much more powerful. A chip and lighter seats on a standard M3 and you have the same for so much less. I'm out!"
As for the GTS, they will sell them all, it will be great........and in 10 years time we will look back fondly at it.
GT3 RS for me please.
I think the CSL was victim of some reviews that helped form an initial average reaction. I remember the biggest thing was that it just wasn't any quicker in a straight line when tested vs the standard M3 despite the exra power and huge weight advantage. Remember the incredulity of the car having Cup tyres where people had to sign a waiver? Heavens above! "That new M3 CSL, what a joke. Costs 50% more than the standard car and isn't much more powerful. A chip and lighter seats on a standard M3 and you have the same for so much less. I'm out!"
As for the GTS, they will sell them all, it will be great........and in 10 years time we will look back fondly at it.
GT3 RS for me please.
However, people now appreciate it is a great car. Not only does it look fantastic (as does the car it's based on), but it was a genuinely developed car with the carbon roof, carbon/alcantara interior, bespoke engine, suspension and brakes, as well as the body parts and those wheels copied ever since.
The E92 M3 GTS, in comparison, was a ridiculous. Not only hugely more expensive, but for what - a boot spoiler? In comparison to a CSL, it was not a bespoke car. The only people who will buy them are blinkered BMW collectors.
This new GTS seems a lot better, on paper, but as the photos show, i'd argue subjectiveness doesn't come into it - it's plain ugly! And whilst difficult to get one for list price now, let's remember that the 991 GT3 started off at £100k. Ridiculous. In comparison, the E46 CSL may have been expensive, but it was still cheaper than the comparable 996 GT3 models.
I'm a fan of the special M cars, but this is inexcusable!
M4 GTS - £121,770
My idea:
M4 Manual with Ceramics - £63,700
Litchfield are offering upgrades for the M4
Remap - £727.20
Lowering kit and active suspension - £4560
Full Akrapovic exhaust system - £4335.60
Diffuser - £747.60
That gives you 525hp and 485lb ft and loses around 10kg
So now we are at £74070.40
That leaves you with just under £48k to play with. Get a full roll cage, bucket seats, strip it have it re trimmed do whatever, its still bloody cheaper!
BMW you make no sense!
M4 GTS - £121,770
My idea:
M4 Manual with Ceramics - £63,700
Litchfield are offering upgrades for the M4
Remap - £727.20
Lowering kit and active suspension - £4560
Full Akrapovic exhaust system - £4335.60
Diffuser - £747.60
That gives you 525hp and 485lb ft and loses around 10kg
So now we are at £74070.40
That leaves you with just under £48k to play with. Get a full roll cage, bucket seats, strip it have it re trimmed do whatever, its still bloody cheaper!
BMW you make no sense!
Days Like These said:
A car that plays its' soundtrack through the speakers (yes, a digital sound file not a trick exhaust/inlet)
I mean, the list goes on, let alone the new turbo Carrera, the Mclaren 540C, 911 Turbo, V12 Vantage S, Audi R8, all are comparable in price and more desirable in every possible way.
Agree 100%.I mean, the list goes on, let alone the new turbo Carrera, the Mclaren 540C, 911 Turbo, V12 Vantage S, Audi R8, all are comparable in price and more desirable in every possible way.
This car is investment material much more than driving enthusiast material.
Rick1.8t said:
It may be poor value for money but all of them will be pre-sold with ease and I imagine many of them wont ever see a track.
As previously mentioned, a remapped M4 with some trick dampers, new brakes and lightweight seats surely wouldnt be too far behind BUT we are then missing one thing: This thing wont depreciate at all and esepecially not like your modified un-sellable M4 would.
Will make a great car for instagram videos of convoys to KFC etc.
I think you will actually be surprised and I'd expect most of them to be used on track as they will 90% only be bought by wealthy BMW fans, why else would anyone buy one?As previously mentioned, a remapped M4 with some trick dampers, new brakes and lightweight seats surely wouldnt be too far behind BUT we are then missing one thing: This thing wont depreciate at all and esepecially not like your modified un-sellable M4 would.
Will make a great car for instagram videos of convoys to KFC etc.
Edited by Rick1.8t on Wednesday 7th October 10:28
There really isn't much point in buying this car to show off, I mean it's £120k and doesn't really look a £ over £60k/70k. There are far, far better ways to show off with £120k and space in your garage!
Have to echo the other comments, VERY disappointing. Twice the price of the standard car, only another 70bhp which is surely just a remap away so not sure why they bothered with water injection either which by the way is not "new" technology even if they are trying to make you think it is.
The worst thing is they've ripped out the rear seats, putting it into a whole new league of two seater cars and yet still only managed to shed 27kg. The CSL was 25% more expensive, 100kg lighter and more importantly still managed to retain the rear seats. BMW, please stop fannying around with irrelevant, expensive two seater heavy track cars and make a proper successor to the CSL.
Take a normal M3\M4, give it a remap, give it a titanium exhaust and carbon airbox to make it sound how it should, get rid of the fake noise maker, shed excess weight WITHOUT loosing the reat seats, surely with nearly 1600kg to play with 100kg is possible, stick a CSL badge on it, sell them for £75k and watch them fly out the door. It's not rocket science.
The worst thing is they've ripped out the rear seats, putting it into a whole new league of two seater cars and yet still only managed to shed 27kg. The CSL was 25% more expensive, 100kg lighter and more importantly still managed to retain the rear seats. BMW, please stop fannying around with irrelevant, expensive two seater heavy track cars and make a proper successor to the CSL.
Take a normal M3\M4, give it a remap, give it a titanium exhaust and carbon airbox to make it sound how it should, get rid of the fake noise maker, shed excess weight WITHOUT loosing the reat seats, surely with nearly 1600kg to play with 100kg is possible, stick a CSL badge on it, sell them for £75k and watch them fly out the door. It's not rocket science.
Guvernator said:
Take a normal M3\M4, give it a remap, give it a titanium exhaust and carbon airbox to make it sound how it should, get rid of the fake noise maker, shed excess weight WITHOUT loosing the reat seats, surely with nearly 1600kg to play with 100kg is possible, stick a CSL badge on it, sell them for £75k and watch them fly out the door. It's not rocket science.
sealtt said:
I think you will actually be surprised and I'd expect most of them to be used on track as they will 90% only be bought by wealthy BMW fans, why else would anyone buy one?
There really isn't much point in buying this car to show off, I mean it's £120k and doesn't really look a £ over £60k/70k. There are far, far better ways to show off with £120k and space in your garage!
The point would be exclusivity & investment - It would be great if they were mostly used on track though I do doubt it. A friends dad bought a 996 GT3 as soon as they were available and it didnt see much more than a few dry sunday 20 min drives through the countryside before it was sold a few years later - Track use, no way.There really isn't much point in buying this car to show off, I mean it's £120k and doesn't really look a £ over £60k/70k. There are far, far better ways to show off with £120k and space in your garage!
sealtt said:
Guvernator said:
Take a normal M3\M4, give it a remap, give it a titanium exhaust and carbon airbox to make it sound how it should, get rid of the fake noise maker, shed excess weight WITHOUT loosing the reat seats, surely with nearly 1600kg to play with 100kg is possible, stick a CSL badge on it, sell them for £75k and watch them fly out the door. It's not rocket science.
M4 GTS to post the pointless Nordschleife numbers, M2 CSL for driving enjoyment. Could be a cracker.
Rick1.8t said:
- Track use, no way.
Rick, I don't know how much insight you have on the track day scene both in the UK and the rest of Europe but you do see quite a few M3 GTS being used properly on track by proper enthusiasts who don't just frequent websites.I am quite confident the 30 UK buyers will not fall into the reverse snobbery influenced cliche of the Rolex wearer so eloquently chastised by the less fortunate here. There is nothing wrong with a Rolex incidentally.
Besides, what does it matter how other people spend their money on ? To those buyers, those amounts are irrelevant, as irrelevant as for someone spending £50/month on the latest Iphone rather than the far better VFM equivalent Windows phone at £15. It's a question of scale.
But this is PH, where social frustration now rules rather than enthusiasm for a car that is bound to be quite special to drive.
I have no particular interest for that car but I am really happy that a volume manufacturer has the balls to make it and that a fortunate few will be able to drive it or do whatever they want with it.
As always in life, you make your own luck.
A couple of things:
Is it overpriced? Nope, it's a dead cert to sell out.
Is remapping/modifying an M4 the same thing? Nope, certainly not when it comes to residuals.
Also quite surprised at how many people think all M3 GTS' are tucked away in cocoons, I've seen a few on Castle Combe track days, amongst others.
Is it overpriced? Nope, it's a dead cert to sell out.
Is remapping/modifying an M4 the same thing? Nope, certainly not when it comes to residuals.
Also quite surprised at how many people think all M3 GTS' are tucked away in cocoons, I've seen a few on Castle Combe track days, amongst others.
Edited by ukaskew on Wednesday 7th October 11:37
Mubble said:
Considering stock M4s tend to produce 460-470bhp, that's a lot of money for 30bhp and fewer luxuries. There are much better ways to spend £120k on a track toy than this imo.
+1 The "museum culture" around here borders on the absurd. Low volumes, stratospheric, eye-watering prices. Let's all applaud as they glide up and down the red carpet.
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