RE: BMW M4 GTS - full details
Discussion
Leins said:
I'm actually surprised they're making so many. They only made about 130 E92 GTS, although that was introduced in the heart of a major recession
Have E92 GTS prices reached list again yet? I know they were trading below £100k for a while
Yeah, believe i read there were 10 UK cars. Hardly a test of 'selling out', more like 'all they could sell'.Have E92 GTS prices reached list again yet? I know they were trading below £100k for a while
Hello Everyone!
There seems to be a lot of hate for this car which i find kinda assuming. I fully understand everyone's point on it not having, that much more power, being that much lighter etc but i think everyone is missing a critical point here which is that it is a limited edition car of only 700.
Now im not the biggest fan of the M4 (id buy a M3) but i would sitll buy one of these cars as an investment purchase, yes i wouldn't be able to loon it round everyday in it but that's not what this is for. Its for the die hard's who have BMW running through their veins or have so much money they dont care.
Other things which seem to be have been missed is the fully adjustable aero kit and suspension. Now i fully accept that you could buy an M4 and put various bits on it to make your own M4 GTS but by doing so you would devalue your car, reduce the market who would buy it and then invalidate your warranty in a fairly swooping manner.
The M4 GTS will not only be fully warranted but will probably go up in value due to its rarity so I fully expect to see them go up at well over list within a short space of time.
There seems to be a lot of hate for this car which i find kinda assuming. I fully understand everyone's point on it not having, that much more power, being that much lighter etc but i think everyone is missing a critical point here which is that it is a limited edition car of only 700.
Now im not the biggest fan of the M4 (id buy a M3) but i would sitll buy one of these cars as an investment purchase, yes i wouldn't be able to loon it round everyday in it but that's not what this is for. Its for the die hard's who have BMW running through their veins or have so much money they dont care.
Other things which seem to be have been missed is the fully adjustable aero kit and suspension. Now i fully accept that you could buy an M4 and put various bits on it to make your own M4 GTS but by doing so you would devalue your car, reduce the market who would buy it and then invalidate your warranty in a fairly swooping manner.
The M4 GTS will not only be fully warranted but will probably go up in value due to its rarity so I fully expect to see them go up at well over list within a short space of time.
AngusDavie said:
Hello Everyone!
There seems to be a lot of hate for this car which i find kinda assuming. I fully understand everyone's point on it not having, that much more power, being that much lighter etc but i think everyone is missing a critical point here which is that it is a limited edition car of only 700.
Now im not the biggest fan of the M4 (id buy a M3) but i would sitll buy one of these cars as an investment purchase, yes i wouldn't be able to loon it round everyday in it but that's not what this is for. Its for the die hard's who have BMW running through their veins or have so much money they dont care.
Other things which seem to be have been missed is the fully adjustable aero kit and suspension. Now i fully accept that you could buy an M4 and put various bits on it to make your own M4 GTS but by doing so you would devalue your car, reduce the market who would buy it and then invalidate your warranty in a fairly swooping manner.
The M4 GTS will not only be fully warranted but will probably go up in value due to its rarity so I fully expect to see them go up at well over list within a short space of time.
You've convinced me. I'm going to order two.There seems to be a lot of hate for this car which i find kinda assuming. I fully understand everyone's point on it not having, that much more power, being that much lighter etc but i think everyone is missing a critical point here which is that it is a limited edition car of only 700.
Now im not the biggest fan of the M4 (id buy a M3) but i would sitll buy one of these cars as an investment purchase, yes i wouldn't be able to loon it round everyday in it but that's not what this is for. Its for the die hard's who have BMW running through their veins or have so much money they dont care.
Other things which seem to be have been missed is the fully adjustable aero kit and suspension. Now i fully accept that you could buy an M4 and put various bits on it to make your own M4 GTS but by doing so you would devalue your car, reduce the market who would buy it and then invalidate your warranty in a fairly swooping manner.
The M4 GTS will not only be fully warranted but will probably go up in value due to its rarity so I fully expect to see them go up at well over list within a short space of time.
Great first post btw.
British Beef said:
Agree 100%.
This car is investment material much more than driving enthusiast material.
It would be an absolutely terrible investment. Even the coveted E46 CSL would have proven a bad investment and that has a cult following.This car is investment material much more than driving enthusiast material.
If you go to owners club track days I'm sure you will see them flying around, just like you see 458 Speciales, F430 Scuds, etc doing - even though they could well be 'investments'.
Who cares about the price......
It's a Halo car for BMW that very few will own. Take delight in the fact it exsists and knowing that BMW could have done so much better.
Why not chuck a few quid at a standard M4 then go chase GTS owners around a track, hopefully embarrassing them while you're at it.
It's a Halo car for BMW that very few will own. Take delight in the fact it exsists and knowing that BMW could have done so much better.
Why not chuck a few quid at a standard M4 then go chase GTS owners around a track, hopefully embarrassing them while you're at it.
I was lucky enough to do a track day at Spa last month in my brother's M3 CSL. We have done 30 days in the UK at various tracks but going to Spa was a real eye opener.
There were 40 911's, mostly GT products of various type, lots of RS's. The guys parked next to us was tracking a 911GTRS 4.0. A couple of 430 Scuds, 458's a 918 doing the rounds and even a GT40 (YES, AN ORIGINAL REAL ONE). Not an MX-5, E36 or Clio within 100 miles of the track.
Maybe to them £125K on a track car is good value and its a small but lucrative market that BMW are tapping into?
I wouldn't focus on the price, enough people will pay it.
There were 40 911's, mostly GT products of various type, lots of RS's. The guys parked next to us was tracking a 911GTRS 4.0. A couple of 430 Scuds, 458's a 918 doing the rounds and even a GT40 (YES, AN ORIGINAL REAL ONE). Not an MX-5, E36 or Clio within 100 miles of the track.
Maybe to them £125K on a track car is good value and its a small but lucrative market that BMW are tapping into?
I wouldn't focus on the price, enough people will pay it.
counterofbeans said:
You've convinced me. I'm going to order two.
Great first post btw.
lol that's not what i was intending but if you want one don't let me stop you!Great first post btw.
I just feel that a lot of people do not fully understand how much people pay for exclusivity.
I mean if you look at the prices of some fairly new special editions or limited production cars and how much they sell for its mental money which most people just don't comprehend, and i'm in not saying that as someone who can afford these things, but i do work for a Supercar dealer and i study the market a fair bit.
Any car which has a high demand and either low production numbers or a long lead time will mean prices go mad.
Porsche Macan being the prime example. Look on here or Autotrader and find me a Diesel S that is good value considering that a new no option car is approx 44,500. The fact is they arent good value right now. you'll generally pay list or above for a 18month old car with 10 - 20k on the clock.
Demand outstripping supply therefore prices go mental.
BMW 1M Coupe - another car which was great but they still cost the same as they did new for a 3 / 4 yr old car! great investment piece which is affordable and useable...
.AngusDavie said:
lol that's not what i was intending but if you want one don't let me stop you!
I just feel that a lot of people do not fully understand how much people pay for exclusivity.
I mean if you look at the prices of some fairly new special editions or limited production cars and how much they sell for its mental money which most people just don't comprehend, and i'm in not saying that as someone who can afford these things, but i do work for a Supercar dealer and i study the market a fair bit.
Any car which has a high demand and either low production numbers or a long lead time will mean prices go mad.
Porsche Macan being the prime example. Look on here or Autotrader and find me a Diesel S that is good value considering that a new no option car is approx 44,500. The fact is they arent good value right now. you'll generally pay list or above for a 18month old car with 10 - 20k on the clock.
Demand outstripping supply therefore prices go mental.
BMW 1M Coupe - another car which was great but they still cost the same as they did new for a 3 / 4 yr old car! great investment piece which is affordable and useable...
Angus, I don't think anyone here misses the point you are trying to make.I just feel that a lot of people do not fully understand how much people pay for exclusivity.
I mean if you look at the prices of some fairly new special editions or limited production cars and how much they sell for its mental money which most people just don't comprehend, and i'm in not saying that as someone who can afford these things, but i do work for a Supercar dealer and i study the market a fair bit.
Any car which has a high demand and either low production numbers or a long lead time will mean prices go mad.
Porsche Macan being the prime example. Look on here or Autotrader and find me a Diesel S that is good value considering that a new no option car is approx 44,500. The fact is they arent good value right now. you'll generally pay list or above for a 18month old car with 10 - 20k on the clock.
Demand outstripping supply therefore prices go mental.
BMW 1M Coupe - another car which was great but they still cost the same as they did new for a 3 / 4 yr old car! great investment piece which is affordable and useable...
Now I do not wish to speak on behalf of the majority of the guys&gals on PH but there used to be a time (CSL comes to mind) where exclusivity wasn't the only selling point. Yes we live in a crazy world of 0% interest rates and money is flowing like never before, but this shouldn't mean manufacturers become lazy, stick a halfords spoiler on a production car, limit its numbers and charge twice the price!
If they ripped some serious weight out of the car, and made more of an effort with that terrible spoiler, perhaps most would feel different EVEN if the price stayed the same.
I really hope BMW get it right with the M2, as imo AMG is kicking their ass atm.
I get the impression that if BMW or Porsche stick CLS/GTS/RS etc on pretty much anything it will eventually go up in value, even if its not really any better or faster, in fact I am sure they could cover it in a Dog turd style wrap, fit it with 15 inch steelies and leave open cans of Pilchards in the interior and it would still go up in value.
People like an official product, especially a limited edition, special one, as long as it comes from "a brand", only part of it is whether its actually any good, a lot is down to having something different that is recognised by the right people.
People like an official product, especially a limited edition, special one, as long as it comes from "a brand", only part of it is whether its actually any good, a lot is down to having something different that is recognised by the right people.
Good debate on here, I see both sides but by any objective measure the price does not represent good value - the profit margin will be vast. The water injector was on the Evo 6 back in '99 FFS so a bit gimmicky to me. Good taste? That's subjective. Exclusivity. Undoubtedly. But then you could buy a manual E46 CS for about 16k and there are about 75 of those in the UK (self interest declared here).
My issue is that BMW are getting complacent. They know people will buy their limited edition cars and to me this feels underdeveloped for a specialist M car. Remember the Mk 1 Focus costs 25k to build and Ford sold it for 20k
My issue is that BMW are getting complacent. They know people will buy their limited edition cars and to me this feels underdeveloped for a specialist M car. Remember the Mk 1 Focus costs 25k to build and Ford sold it for 20k
shigs said:
Angus, I don't think anyone here misses the point you are trying to make.
Now I do not wish to speak on behave of the majority of the guys&gals on PH but there used to be a time (CSL comes to mind) where exclusivity wasn't the only selling point. Yes we live in a crazy world of 0% interest rates and money is flowing like never before, but this shouldn't mean manufacturers become lazy, stick a halfords spoiler on a production car, limit its numbers and charge twice the price!
If they ripped some serious weight out of the car, and made more of an effort with that terrible spoiler, perhaps most would feel different EVEN if the price stayed the same.
I really hope BMW get it right with the M2, as imo AMG is kicking their ass atm.
This. The they are quite literally taking the pee. I understand that manufacturers are in business to make money first and foremost but to the people who actually go out and buy BMW's standard M products this is just a two fingered salute, not a halo car by any means. Now I do not wish to speak on behave of the majority of the guys&gals on PH but there used to be a time (CSL comes to mind) where exclusivity wasn't the only selling point. Yes we live in a crazy world of 0% interest rates and money is flowing like never before, but this shouldn't mean manufacturers become lazy, stick a halfords spoiler on a production car, limit its numbers and charge twice the price!
If they ripped some serious weight out of the car, and made more of an effort with that terrible spoiler, perhaps most would feel different EVEN if the price stayed the same.
I really hope BMW get it right with the M2, as imo AMG is kicking their ass atm.
The extras on this car should be a £15,000 increase at very best. Its more of a performance pack for a standard M4 than a car worthy of a 'GTS' moniker IMO. You just have to see the differences Renault made with the Megane 265 Trophy and what percentage increase they charged to see that BMW are making a joke out of their customer base...
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