RE: TVR's return - new details
Wednesday 7th October 2015
It seems you lot just can't get enough on the forthcoming new TVR, with 570 comments on our most recent story. Today we have new videos from Autocar with the new engine fired up for the first time and a chat with Les Edgar and John Chasey.
The TVR will use the Ford Coyote V8 as seen in the Mustang, but reengineered by Cosworth. Expect it to be dry sumped with many internal tweaks over standard to ensure a proper TVR character. Power is likely to be around 500hp - versions are also coming with less and more power - and the engine will be built at Cosworth by its race engine builders, unless demand dictates a separate facility.
TVR's return - new details
More info on the Ford V8, plus Le Mans plans confirmed
Speaking on the engine choice, Les Edgar said: "We needed an engine with built-in reliability and long life, but with enough 'headroom' for the extra performance we had in mind. It was clear the Coyote could do those things." An aluminium block keeps it relatively light and then it's onto making the engine Le Mans ready...
Apparently the 24 Hours is "front and centre" of Edgar's plan for TVR, with a version of its racer due at the 2017 race and a plan to compete in 2018. The aim is for very few changes between the road and race engine but they'll explain more of that in the video.
Exciting progress for the returning TVR brand then. At present the first deliveries are still due in the second half of 2017 but expect plenty more news before that time!
Dyno vid here.
Interview here.
[Source: Autocar]
Discussion
GroundEffect said:
Why? With a 500PS V8 it's hardly necessary. Sub 1300kg with good quality is what it should be aiming for.
Absolutely agree, 1100kgs is unrealistic in this day and age unless you want the car to feel like a kit car, something new TVR desperately need to get away from if they want to sell IMO. If you want it to feel like it's got proper quality, it needs to be 1300kg, I'd even be happy with 1400kgs if it meant it didn't feel like it was going to fall apart. A new 911 is just over that and it doesn't feel heavy.If it is going to be sub-1100kg it'll be bare bones in the cabin. That's probably for the better because it'll be INCREDIBLY hard to match tactile quality of group parts-sharing, relatively mass-market players like Porsche or Maserati.
Much as I'd like to see TVR succeed, I can't see how they will on a tagline that's essentially going to be 'never mind the quality, feel the POWWWERRRR'
Much as I'd like to see TVR succeed, I can't see how they will on a tagline that's essentially going to be 'never mind the quality, feel the POWWWERRRR'
lee_erm said:
I wonder if they'll use the flat crank that comes in the GT35O. Is it likely to use Ford diffs and gearboxes too?
I suspect they'll use the McLaren approach for the engine and use the same one tuned as required. As for the rest, they'll probably pick and mix from various suppliers.Enjoyed that update and I bet the guys/girls that have put deposits down are getting excited about the new model, I cant wait to see them finally return and going to Le Mans will help profile the company too.
I am just chuffed TVR is coming back.
I love Mustangs and TVR`s so the combination of the two is spot on I reckon.
I am just chuffed TVR is coming back.
I love Mustangs and TVR`s so the combination of the two is spot on I reckon. Well seeing as it is being made using Gordon Murray's iStream I reckon it will be both light and feel like it is well made.
Shame it's not called the Cosworth Cougar, much more inappropriate name for future TVR owners.
Wel they seem to have a sensible and tempered approach towards building the new car which can only be a good thing.
Shame it's not called the Cosworth Cougar, much more inappropriate name for future TVR owners.
Wel they seem to have a sensible and tempered approach towards building the new car which can only be a good thing.
One thing that's just occurred to me, isn't the Coyote engine a more traditional "lazy" American engine and therefore doesn't like to rev and does most of it's useful work lower in the rev range. Unless Cosworth can add a bit of zing to the top end, I'm not sure that kind of engine will suit the character of TVR.
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Wonder if they could in the future produce new 'none' rusting chassis and wishbones for older cars using the same process?
Wonder if they could in the future produce new 'none' rusting chassis and wishbones for older cars using the same process?
Guvernator said:
One thing that's just occurred to me, isn't the Coyote engine a more traditional "lazy" American engine and therefore doesn't like to rev and does most of it's useful work lower in the rev range. Unless Cosworth can add a bit of zing to the top end, I'm not sure that kind of engine will suit the character of TVR.
If there is anything lazy in your comment, it's not the Mustang.The V8 is DOHC four-valve with variable cam timing. It is eminently tunable.
In Mustang GT guise, horsepower is 435 at 6500rpm with a 7000rpm redline. Torque is 400lbft at 4250rpm.
Good luck to them.unsprung said:
If there is anything lazy in your comment, it's not the Mustang.
The V8 is DOHC four-valve with variable cam timing. It is eminently tunable.
In Mustang GT guise, horsepower is 435 at 6500rpm with a 7000rpm redline. Torque is 400lbft at 4250rpm.
I new someone would get wound up, I wasn't having a dig at American engines so put the handbag down. I was commenting on the fact that they are designed to work to American tastes which are often different to those in Europe. The V8 is DOHC four-valve with variable cam timing. It is eminently tunable.
In Mustang GT guise, horsepower is 435 at 6500rpm with a 7000rpm redline. Torque is 400lbft at 4250rpm.
I have a lot of respect for the stuff they produce over the pond, I know they are tunable and produce lots of low down torque, however I was commenting on the fact they they often don't like to rev, 7krpm isn't high in my book especially considering the previous AJP and straight sixes did most of their best work near the 8k redline which was part of their character and appeal for me.
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