RE: TVR's return - new details
Discussion
IMO the biggest problem new TVR faces is cars which potential customers have to walk away from to reach the TVR showroom,
Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, AMG GT - or if it's "cheap", add Jaguar, Corvette and Porsche to the list. All of these are fully engineered modern cars.
Perhaps they'll steal half of Noble's sales.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, AMG GT - or if it's "cheap", add Jaguar, Corvette and Porsche to the list. All of these are fully engineered modern cars.
Perhaps they'll steal half of Noble's sales.
If you build it, they will come.
I think there are enough youngish people out there who have not drunk enough media koolade to think that Porsche is the answer to life, the universe and everything. People who want to be a bit different and have fun.
As a serial TVR owner I don't even expect the new TVR to appeal to me. It needs to appeal to 30somethings with some cash to spend. I don't know what floats those people's boats, but I hope the new TVR have done the research.
I think there are enough youngish people out there who have not drunk enough media koolade to think that Porsche is the answer to life, the universe and everything. People who want to be a bit different and have fun.
As a serial TVR owner I don't even expect the new TVR to appeal to me. It needs to appeal to 30somethings with some cash to spend. I don't know what floats those people's boats, but I hope the new TVR have done the research.
GetCarter said:
Welcome to Pistonheads - where we all encourage new British sports cars.
it seems to be a distinctly "British" thing to take peoples opinions as immediately negative?I'd LOVE for TVR to make a proper go of it, to add their particular blend of interest and excitement to the existing motoring ecosystem. BUT, to do this they need to be realistic, level headed and chase achievable dreams. Every £1 spent chasing some pointless LeMans glory is £1 less spent on the product, you know, the bit that in 2015, really matters!
Interesting thoughts here. Can't wait for 2017 to roll on myself.
One thing to note... being such a small, home-turf manufacturer who knows that a lot of their fans and potential clientele lurk on Pistonheads, I really wouldn't be surprised if TVR (and Mr Edgar in particular) are keeping a close eye on threads like this which pop up. Without even having to ask, they are getting all the feedback / market research they could want!
So, Les.. I'll make it easy for you:
1) Under £70k please otherwise I might have to cancel
2) TC and ABS to be fully switchable
3) Some better headlights please, current ones are shocking!
4) A fuel filler cap that doesn't try to attack me with unleaded
5) It must smell like a canoe factory for 'nostalgia' purposes
Cheers
One thing to note... being such a small, home-turf manufacturer who knows that a lot of their fans and potential clientele lurk on Pistonheads, I really wouldn't be surprised if TVR (and Mr Edgar in particular) are keeping a close eye on threads like this which pop up. Without even having to ask, they are getting all the feedback / market research they could want!
So, Les.. I'll make it easy for you:
1) Under £70k please otherwise I might have to cancel
2) TC and ABS to be fully switchable
3) Some better headlights please, current ones are shocking!
4) A fuel filler cap that doesn't try to attack me with unleaded
5) It must smell like a canoe factory for 'nostalgia' purposes
Cheers
AOK said:
2) TC and ABS to be fully switchable
Interesting! Why do you want to be able to turn the ABS off? I could imagine wanting to be able to select different ABS settings (for the tarde off between ultimate retardation and yaw stability) much like in most current race cars where ABS is allowed, but turn it totally off? cerb4.5lee said:
J4CKO said:
Just nipped into Wilmslow (Cheshire) town centre, I saw eight or so Porsches of various types in the car park, would I have a TVR, hell yes, even if its just so I can find my car and it not get lost in the massed ranks of Pork, all very, very good, but I am guessing that there are enough people who want to have something different as to be honest seeing all those Porsches, there is very little individuality to be had, by and large the same thing in several sizes with different levels of power, dont get me wrong, I love Porsches but I would take the TVR even if objectively, it isn't as good.
When I used to live around that neck of the woods I used to love blasting through the airport tunnels and my Cerbera used to sound epic under them 
used to love seeing all the high end motors around that way too and always saw a Lambo or something fast blasting down the handforth bypass. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g546A0aQmI8
J4CKO said:
cerb4.5lee said:
J4CKO said:
Just nipped into Wilmslow (Cheshire) town centre, I saw eight or so Porsches of various types in the car park, would I have a TVR, hell yes, even if its just so I can find my car and it not get lost in the massed ranks of Pork, all very, very good, but I am guessing that there are enough people who want to have something different as to be honest seeing all those Porsches, there is very little individuality to be had, by and large the same thing in several sizes with different levels of power, dont get me wrong, I love Porsches but I would take the TVR even if objectively, it isn't as good.
When I used to live around that neck of the woods I used to love blasting through the airport tunnels and my Cerbera used to sound epic under them used to love seeing all the high end motors around that way too and always saw a Lambo or something fast blasting down the handforth bypass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g546A0aQmI8
I just loved going through them exactly the same as you! 
Ozzie Osmond said:
AOK said:
So, Les.. I'll make it easy for you:
1) Under £70k please otherwise I might have to cancel
Not a snowball's chance in hell. Might as well ask for your money back right now.1) Under £70k please otherwise I might have to cancel
Max_Torque said:
GetCarter said:
Welcome to Pistonheads - where we all encourage new British sports cars.
it seems to be a distinctly "British" thing to take peoples opinions as immediately negative?I'd LOVE for TVR to make a proper go of it, to add their particular blend of interest and excitement to the existing motoring ecosystem. BUT, to do this they need to be realistic, level headed and chase achievable dreams. Every £1 spent chasing some pointless LeMans glory is £1 less spent on the product, you know, the bit that in 2015, really matters!
Faster =/= better - especially when considering the chassid moreso than the engine but both are relevant. If you can't rev it without finding yourself at 130mph, it's a crap experience on road. If it goes round corners like it's on rails there's nothing for the driver to do, and it's a crap experience on the road.
As for switchable ABS/TC - maybe I'm a bit inconsistent, but I enjoy a car that doesn't have it but feel somewhat irresponsible/reckless switching it off on cars which have it because any excursions from trundling along are contrived by virtue of you consciously pressing a button to make a safe car less safe. That's an argument I know I'll lose because most people want the safety net present but if it were me it would remain on and I'd find the car dull.
jamieduff1981 said:
Max_Torque said:
GetCarter said:
Welcome to Pistonheads - where we all encourage new British sports cars.
it seems to be a distinctly "British" thing to take peoples opinions as immediately negative?I'd LOVE for TVR to make a proper go of it, to add their particular blend of interest and excitement to the existing motoring ecosystem. BUT, to do this they need to be realistic, level headed and chase achievable dreams. Every £1 spent chasing some pointless LeMans glory is £1 less spent on the product, you know, the bit that in 2015, really matters!
Faster =/= better - especially when considering the chassid moreso than the engine but both are relevant. If you can't rev it without finding yourself at 130mph, it's a crap experience on road. If it goes round corners like it's on rails there's nothing for the driver to do, and it's a crap experience on the road.
As for switchable ABS/TC - maybe I'm a bit inconsistent, but I enjoy a car that doesn't have it but feel somewhat irresponsible/reckless switching it off on cars which have it because any excursions from trundling along are contrived by virtue of you consciously pressing a button to make a safe car less safe. That's an argument I know I'll lose because most people want the safety net present but if it were me it would remain on and I'd find the car dull.
HarryW said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
AOK said:
So, Les.. I'll make it easy for you:
1) Under £70k please otherwise I might have to cancel
Not a snowball's chance in hell. Might as well ask for your money back right now.1) Under £70k please otherwise I might have to cancel
Les... don't read this one! £70k is my limit, wink wink
It's very very difficult to flog a car above £70k. You need serious financial readies in order to find a financial arm, etc.
I must admit I have reservations about the idea of the car being too much above £50k.
The bit that worries me is I see no emotional hit with this current incarnation. TVRs have always been bought with the heart but currently Im seeing nothing aimed at the heart.
I wish Les et co nothing but the best of Blackpool.
I must admit I have reservations about the idea of the car being too much above £50k.
The bit that worries me is I see no emotional hit with this current incarnation. TVRs have always been bought with the heart but currently Im seeing nothing aimed at the heart.
I wish Les et co nothing but the best of Blackpool.
Max_Torque said:
AOK said:
2) TC and ABS to be fully switchable
Interesting! Why do you want to be able to turn the ABS off? I could imagine wanting to be able to select different ABS settings (for the tarde off between ultimate retardation and yaw stability) much like in most current race cars where ABS is allowed, but turn it totally off? I've locked up the brakes exactly once on both TVRs I've owned, quite early on in ownership in both cases which says a lot I think. I like to drive enthusiastically, but I know that if I take a risk with braking, there is no safety net.. so I build in safe distances and brake a touch earlier.
The T350 is so visceral to drive and I guess I don't want the T37 to lose that. Equally, I appreciate it is ludicrous letting people turn off a safety system. If it were switchable, I would keep it on 80%, but it would be nice to know that when I wanted to, I could re-live the thrill/skill in driving without it on.
2p.
DJRC said:
It's very very difficult to flog a car above £70k.
Which misses the point completely - namely how the hell are they going to build a low volume sportscar and sell it as cheap as £70k?So many people on here don't have the first clue about business - let alone the car business.
Ozzie Osmond said:
DJRC said:
It's very very difficult to flog a car above £70k.
Which misses the point completely - namely how the hell are they going to build a low volume sportscar and sell it as cheap as £70k?So many people on here don't have the first clue about business - let alone the car business.
Have you considered the LE model might actually be a loss leader in real monitory terms but invaluable in marketing terms and part of a 5 year plan.
I've been reading this thread with a heavy heart. It seems to be full of people forgetting what buying a TVR once meant. My Chimaera was bought as an antidote to the modern soulless cars available. TVR's were never the best engineered, the best built, the fastest, the best handling, and in many ways were plain crap. But every time I opened the door and looked at the wooden dashboard, the leather stitched by a human and the switchgear made by a man at a machine, I knew I'd done right. It doesn't matter if the new one weighs so many kilos, is powered by a donkey or is slower around a circuit, as long as it makes people happy to be in it. So, my appeal to real car fans is this - don't see it as a competitor to a mass produced box. See it as something different. Enjoy it for what it is. And be thankful that the will to make something different is still strong in Britain.
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