Is it legal to remove the windscreen and surround?
Discussion
GC8 said:
This thread is almost completely free of knowledgeable or helpful comments.
If anyone could sum up its the internet, you just have.Also, I'm pretty sure removing the windscreen would require an IVA test. Convertibles have to take a load off the windscreen surround thats a certain percentage of the total mass. At least, thats what they have to do from factory. I could be wrong, and this could also depend on the age of the car.
Camoradi said:
akirk said:
why would you put a fibreglass body shell on top of current panels? they all unbolt - it is an easy car to mod the bodywork...
A PHer, Anthony will supply you with one http://www.bertinigt25.com/His profile http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?h=0...
Off to look for a cosmetically damaged z3 back in a bit
Meathead316 said:
Ok so a roll over bar would be a good idea and definitely something to add.
Mirrors would be relocated.
ideally 4-6inches per wheel wider. I understand that it will totally screw the bearings. But so I would like to take it to the limit!
It would be finished, but only if I ever start it!
I dont plan on ruining a perfectly good Z3, probs get one thats had a knock, or has other cosmetic damage like peeling paint or something.
This will by no means be a daily driver, it will be used less than once per week...
So if I did all of the aforementioned mods, would I need to do anything with regards to car checks and stuff?
You might want a sanity check from the taste & style Police. As well as booking yourself in for a "am I completely barking with no clue" examination.Mirrors would be relocated.
ideally 4-6inches per wheel wider. I understand that it will totally screw the bearings. But so I would like to take it to the limit!
It would be finished, but only if I ever start it!
I dont plan on ruining a perfectly good Z3, probs get one thats had a knock, or has other cosmetic damage like peeling paint or something.
This will by no means be a daily driver, it will be used less than once per week...
So if I did all of the aforementioned mods, would I need to do anything with regards to car checks and stuff?
Seriously, do you have any concept of car construction? I don't mean this offensively. But if this project is as wild as you seem to be claiming, you'd be better off with a rolling chassis of some kind and getting a bodyshell made to your design to fit it.
Butchering a Z3 in this fashion is only going to end up with something horrendously awful to look at, that will drive 100x worse than it looks.
Have you thought about something like this instead.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/130-0706...
http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/130-0706...
Mr2Mike said:
So just the same as a standard Z3 really...
I do like the styling of the Bertini conversion though, very nice.
I was never a Z3 fan, although I think I'm changing my point of view and rather like how they look now.I do like the styling of the Bertini conversion though, very nice.
That Bertini looks ok, but still looks like a Z3 with bits added (side profile). And I'm sure is a million miles away from what the op is talking about doing.
right just sifted through the nonsense....
Came toa valid point about the windscreen surround being an integral part of the body and thus needing an IVA (which i want to avoid!!!) So how do I find out? who do I contact to ask?
And no it wont look horrendous when finished, but thats if it gets started...
Came toa valid point about the windscreen surround being an integral part of the body and thus needing an IVA (which i want to avoid!!!) So how do I find out? who do I contact to ask?
And no it wont look horrendous when finished, but thats if it gets started...
As already pointed out, 4-6 inches per wheel is too much. The additional loads on the wheel bearings from a point there were never intended to be loaded from could cause premature catastrophic failure which would render anything else you do pretty pointless. That is the one of the mods you are considering that really should not be undertaken without a full engineering calculation being undertaken and appropriate amendments made. Plus, if it did need and IVA because of removing the screen you may find it wouldn't meet the self-centring requirements for the steering with that much additional offset without further suspension changes.
Depends on the vehicle
have a look at the MX5 Speedster from the MX5 Restorer: http://www.themx5restorer.co.uk/pages/mx5-speedste...
have a look at the MX5 Speedster from the MX5 Restorer: http://www.themx5restorer.co.uk/pages/mx5-speedste...
steviegunn said:
it's been done with MX-5s, no MOT problems as far as I know.
The question about the removal of the screen pillars isn't an MOT one - it's a registration one.https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-...
Technically, yes, that'd be enough of a mod to send it straight to IVA. In practice...? Give us a break. Drilling a hole for a rear fog light on an import is modifying the monocoque, as is rolling the rear arches. Where to draw THAT line?
TooMany2cvs said:
as is rolling the rear arches
Actually I don't think it would. The wording of the IVA papers related specifically to "structural modification"; although the rear arches comprise part of a monocoque I don't think they're deemed structural. IVA people said:
...What constitutes a monocoque is that of how an OEM manufacturer would view it. The chassis or `cage` assembly and all components that form it, less any cosmetic panels or infills that make no structural consideration to the monocoque or its component parts.However, we must emphasis that this information is given for general guidance and each case will be judged on its merits.
However from what I can tell any inner arch material, either front or rear, does count as structural.Camoradi said:
A PHer, Anthony will supply you with one http://www.bertinigt25.com/
The worst part of that is the windscreen. Replace that with aeroscreens and I reckon the OP could be onto something.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff