How Can / Will VW fix all those dodgy engines?

[battered]

The Moose said:

Please forgive me if I'm incorrect - I would be the first to hold my hands up and say that I most certainly am not an expert. Neither do I own an affected car.

However, I was under the impression that the cars were being sold as Euro 5 (??) emissions standard compliant. I also understand (again, usual caveats about being an expert etc), but from what I read, Euro 5 emissions limit the amount of NOx to 0.18g/km (from AA website) and the cars are producing up to 1.5g/km.

As far as I can see, that means the car is in fact not Euro 5 compliant and therefore in my mind, the cars have been mis-sold.

It's true that the engines in question are Euro 5 compliant, but this is a Type Approval thing, it doesn't apply to testing of individual cars. Nobody is retesting your car to Euro 5 std as part of the MoT. For you to have a claim, as a consumer under SOGA (SOGaPoSA), you have to demonstrate a loss, or a decline in its utility to you. There is no evidence so far that this is going to be the case. IF all affected cars are to be fixed as a manufacturer recall and IF this adversely affects the performance or IF it affects economy or IF it affects longevity or IF it affects running costs, you have a claim. That's a lot of ifs. If not then the car is just as good as it ever was, to you, since the emissions saga to date doesn't affect the individual consumers. If the manufacturer fiddled the results, that's between him and the regulator. Your case against the manufacturer is that the car has to do a job for you, and until something changes it's doing fine.

[Comeinhandy]

Some might be suing for compensation for a loss brought on by fraud. I read an owner had a £800 drop in trade in value from before the news to one day later.

[IanCress]

Comeinhandy said:

Some might be suing for compensation for a loss brought on by fraud. I read an owner had a £800 drop in trade in value from before the news to one day later.

And I'm sure the salesman will knock £800 off the price he sells it for

[Hol]

Although the values are a lot less, this feels morally worse than LIBOR, as its the bosses themselves who created the issue, not some fraudulent members of staff colluding between each other for their own personal gain.

[Blaster72]

Autocar this week has a small piece on the issue

For the affected 2 ltr cars it looks like just a software update.

For the 1.6 ltr cars its software and at the very least new injectors although VW are saying it may be 12 months before the modifications are finalised as their design brief is not to increase MPG with any of the mods.

[lostkiwi]

Blaster72 said:

... as their design brief is not to increase MPG with any of the mods.

Which will effectively put paid to any SOGA claims.

[Lowtimer]

"Increasing MPG" is making a car more economical. Are you sure you didn't mean "increasing fuel consumption?"

[Blaster72]

Lowtimer said:

"Increasing MPG" is making a car more economical. Are you sure you didn't mean "increasing fuel consumption?"

Of course.

[Sheepshanks]

I see there's talk of VW in the US having to set up special repair facilities to retro-fit Ad Blue and all the associated gubbins.

That's major messing with the car which many owners aren't going to happy about and the cost doesn't bear thinking about. And will VW have to stump up for free Ad Blue for life?

[Vaud]

Sheepshanks said:

And will VW have to stump up for free Ad Blue for life?

Great way to get people back in a dealership and rebuild trust. (with my positive hat on)

[Hol]

I wonder if Obama's spin team would be so proactive , if it was an American manufacturer??


Stupid question really!! As if.....

[Blaster72]

Of course they wouldn't, all the info would be squashed under some "National security" law until Ed Snowden uncovers it in some leaked email

I'm sure its not just VW that's been in on the act, next thing needs to be the ridiculous official MPG figures they publish which no one ever gets near.