RE: Toyota S-FR concept for Tokyo

RE: Toyota S-FR concept for Tokyo

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Blayney

2,948 posts

185 months

Saturday 10th October 2015
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I had a very quick play around with different colours for it.

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

150 months

Saturday 10th October 2015
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Nice, thanks! I think it's pic 4 for me, quite like it in orangy-red.

Really hope Toyota makes this and brings it to Europe. The ND MX is ace but I'm not the biggest fan of their current styling. Also good to have some competition. Mazda have had that segment on their own for a long time now.

MX-5, Fiat 124, S-FR, BRZ/GT86. Exiting times in affordable sports car land smile.

@Kawasicki: from what I've read the aim of that deal is a new Supra for Toyota and a replacement Z4 for BMW.

Gompo

4,395 posts

257 months

Saturday 10th October 2015
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Cotic said:
I've read elsewhere that this is a 2+2 - surely they can't fit back seats in there? With the risk of bringing up the GT86 yet again, the seats in the back of that are useless for anyone with a full complement of limbs, so what are they trying to achieve with this as a 2+2?

It might at least mean there's decent room upfront for a sizable driver, and a rear shelf is useful as opposed to just a bulkhead/firewall.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Saturday 10th October 2015
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Kolbenkopp said:
@Kawasicki: from what I've read the aim of that deal is a new Supra for Toyota and a replacement Z4 for BMW.
Makes more sense!

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

150 months

Saturday 10th October 2015
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Gompo said:
It might at least mean there's decent room upfront for a sizable driver, and a rear shelf is useful as opposed to just a bulkhead/firewall.
Yup, fully agree. And I've heard some people can actually resist the urge to buy an 18 feet land yacht just cause there is offspring on the way smile.

The S-FR dimensions are spot on, at least for my taste. Rest of the specs also really appealing. And as long as they get the chaps that honed the 86 involved, there is no doubt this will be a great steer. Basically a modern 924. OK no transaxle, but some 100kg+ lighter and priced around or under a 1.5 ND, what is not to like.


danp

1,603 posts

261 months

Sunday 11th October 2015
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Fantastic concept, just need BMW to also use the platform, reskin it and stick a 2.0 4 pot NA screamer under the bonnet.

Failing that I'll take the Toyota!

AnotherClarkey

3,589 posts

188 months

Sunday 11th October 2015
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Could this be the new Frogeye Sprite?

Blayney

2,948 posts

185 months

Sunday 11th October 2015
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AnotherClarkey said:
Could this be the new Frogeye Sprite?
That's the way I'm looking at it!

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Sunday 11th October 2015
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Kolbenkopp said:
Yup, fully agree. And I've heard some people can actually resist the urge to buy an 18 feet land yacht just cause there is offspring on the way smile.

The S-FR dimensions are spot on, at least for my taste. Rest of the specs also really appealing. And as long as they get the chaps that honed the 86 involved, there is no doubt this will be a great steer. Basically a modern 924. OK no transaxle, but some 100kg+ lighter and priced around or under a 1.5 ND, what is not to like.

Nice overlay.

GrizzlyBear

1,072 posts

134 months

Sunday 11th October 2015
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Blayney said:
I had a very quick play around with different colours for it.

Toyota SFR by blayney1989, on Flickr
That's the one for me.

Although, I adored the GT86 concept and was disappointed with the production design, I can't help thinking they will change this for the worse by production and it isn't as much of a looker now, I think the front grille is a bit of an acquired taste - I am thinking basking spark!, although I am not sure about the rear, especially the bumper, I think that needs more work.

I am hoping for a high reving NA cam-chain engine, single plate clutch, rwd. I suspect I will be disappointed.

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

150 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Kawasicki said:
Nice overlay.
Thanks! Scale is more or less correct by a few pixels, but wish I had a better 924 drawing to start with. Also couldn't figure out how to make a morphing GIF from two layers in Gimp.

But I think the point is made. It is surprisingly comparable to a 924 (even the width is very close) but improved wheelbase, overhangs and track. Now I really like 924 package -- and I think that is just about as small as you can get away with nowadays if you want to keep some mass appeal. Perfect.

@GrizzlyBear

Sure the S-FR styling might benefit from some finishing touches. I would especially welcome it if they adapted the size of the grille to the surface of the cooling installed behind it. Can't be more than 10% smile.

But still, I like the general styling direction so much that I'm prepared to forgive them a lot. No fake 'aero' dross, no fake vents, no effing creases or convex surfaces for the sake of it, no silly huge DRLs, sensible wheel size, long bonnet, short overhangs... Very, very refreshing.

Regarding the mechanical side: I think the RWD is a given, as is the clutch and the chain drive. The 'high reving' is another matter, the price point they are aiming at won't allow for anything other than a lightly fettled version of one of their vanilla 1.5l jobs.

The major flaw is IMVHO in their marketing reasoning. Not sure if Japan is different, but in Europe or the US I highly doubt this will attract young petrol heads. There is no way they can make this cheaper than a typical FI FWD hot hatch which will be faster. And it takes some maturity to understand that stats aren't really much relevant.



rodericb

6,656 posts

125 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Kawasicki said:
Kolbenkopp said:
Yup, fully agree. And I've heard some people can actually resist the urge to buy an 18 feet land yacht just cause there is offspring on the way smile.

The S-FR dimensions are spot on, at least for my taste. Rest of the specs also really appealing. And as long as they get the chaps that honed the 86 involved, there is no doubt this will be a great steer. Basically a modern 924. OK no transaxle, but some 100kg+ lighter and priced around or under a 1.5 ND, what is not to like.

Nice overlay.
It sure is. The pictures of the S-FR make it look small. I never remember the 924 being known as a small car - one for the classics dwarved by moderns thread! Oh and could you imagine this Toyota packing a three litre, four cylinder engine?

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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rodericb said:
It sure is. The pictures of the S-FR make it look small. I never remember the 924 being known as a small car - one for the classics dwarved by moderns thread! Oh and could you imagine this Toyota packing a three litre, four cylinder engine?
The 924 put on size like a McDonalds addict over the years.

The original 924 was almost dainty.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Just read on Jalopnik..

130 bhp
980 kg

Should be cheap too, way cheaper than an MX5. They are saying that the MX5 costs 21K US$ in Japan, and the S-FR will cost about 12.5K US$.


matt1269

598 posts

173 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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I somehow don't see it being that cheap in the UK, i'm hoping for around £16k.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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matt1269 said:
I somehow don't see it being that cheap in the UK, i'm hoping for around £16k.
It's going to be interesting...

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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AW111 said:
The 924 put on size like a McDonalds addict over the years.

The original 924 was almost dainty.
Did it change in size at all? I know the 944 was a bit wider, but the 924?

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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rodericb said:
It sure is. The pictures of the S-FR make it look small. I never remember the 924 being known as a small car - one for the classics dwarved by moderns thread! Oh and could you imagine this Toyota packing a three litre, four cylinder engine?
Just what I was going to post. The 924 certainly wasn't small back in the day, it may seem it now but so do most things from back then, even the Jensen Interceptor.

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Technical specifications have been posted online. May or may not be accurate.

  • 2NR-FKE engine (tuned version of the one used in Japan's Corolla, now with direct injection and revised ports)
  • 1.5L inline 4 cylinder dual-overhead cam (DOHC)
  • 130 PS / 15.1kgf.m (109.2 lb-ft torque)
  • Aisin 6 Speed Transmission only (no automatic)
  • Fuel consumption: 20.0km/l (47 mpg) (Japanese test cycle)
  • Regular gasoline (no premium needed)
  • Weight: 980kg (2160 lbs)
  • Suspension: Front struts / double wishbone rear
  • 3990 mm length, 1695 mm width, 1320 mm height, 2480 mm wheelbase
  • Estimated price (Japan) is $10k (USD equivalent) less than the current Miata
Note: 1.5L Miata is $20.8k including tax in Japan, S-FR is estimated to be $12.5k including tax

From: http://www.sfrforums.com/forums/showthread.php?10-...

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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KTF said:
S-FR Forums?! The early bird catches the domain name.