Running in a new engine
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The Cooper S has done 1100 miles now, and we've stuck to the instructions in the handbook. Kept it under 4000 RPM (ish) and not let it labour. We have however done short bursts of hard acceleration occasionally, and it's had a very varied diet of revs with next to no motorway use. I've only driven the car half a dozen times, but it's noticeably more responsive and eager at 1100 miles than it was even 500 miles ago.
What amazes me is that it has used no oil even during this "running in" period. The dipstick reading is still resolutely on the top of the hash markings after 1100 miles. Both my 320d's were the same according to the electronic reading on the iDrive although with a diesel you never know how much of it is down to the DPF, or how accurate the readout is. The Mini has a proper dipstick, which of course doesn't lie as long as the car is on level ground.
What amazes me is that it has used no oil even during this "running in" period. The dipstick reading is still resolutely on the top of the hash markings after 1100 miles. Both my 320d's were the same according to the electronic reading on the iDrive although with a diesel you never know how much of it is down to the DPF, or how accurate the readout is. The Mini has a proper dipstick, which of course doesn't lie as long as the car is on level ground.
VeeFource said:
Some sulky cry baby delusional guff which wasn't worth reading
Gosh. You really have fallen for the "Sport" marketing nonsense, haven't you. Bless.Edited by VeeFource on Friday 30th October 12:27
Manufacturers used to do that in the 80's. Take a mediocre run of the mill car, stick a Sport badge on the back, add a few stick on trinkets, a spoiler and some alloys and them market it to gullible fools who think they are buying a performance car. I didn't think anyone was daft enough to fall for it these days...
Did you not notice on the Spec sheet that it takes 8.7 seconds for your car to get to 62 and it runs out of steam at 121mph? Hardly high-performance stats, are they
Stop pretending it's a performance car. You're making yourself look silly.
It's a great warm hatch, it'd be at or near the top of my list if I were in the market for one, but there really is nothing racey or tuned about it's engine... Normal production engine off the line, assembled by robots and built for reliability, practicality, cleanliness etc.
That said if I had a brand new one I'd still want to break it in right.
That said if I had a brand new one I'd still want to break it in right.
VeeFource said:
So you think 134bhp from an n/a 1.6 is "bog standard"? As is the lightened flywheel?
It's not the total power the engine produces that is what performance is judged by, it's the power per litre of the engine and power to weight of the car. Both of which are a fair bit higher than an average or "bog standard" car. So who cares how much power your Mummy in law's car's got, she might have 250bhp but if it's in a 3 ton car it's wasted. Whatever it is it's still shown up by the output of an artic lorry. Why don't you upgrade her to one of those for Xmas..
As usual you're totally missing the point. Your argument is that this car is so average that who cares if it's not run in properly. What a pathetic waste of space you really are. It's my thread and it's important to me just as the subject is to the other good contributers of this thread.
So if you think it's not important then f**k off and contribute to another thread you think is.
What an idiot..
Don't feed the It's not the total power the engine produces that is what performance is judged by, it's the power per litre of the engine and power to weight of the car. Both of which are a fair bit higher than an average or "bog standard" car. So who cares how much power your Mummy in law's car's got, she might have 250bhp but if it's in a 3 ton car it's wasted. Whatever it is it's still shown up by the output of an artic lorry. Why don't you upgrade her to one of those for Xmas..
As usual you're totally missing the point. Your argument is that this car is so average that who cares if it's not run in properly. What a pathetic waste of space you really are. It's my thread and it's important to me just as the subject is to the other good contributers of this thread.
So if you think it's not important then f**k off and contribute to another thread you think is.
What an idiot..
Edited by VeeFource on Friday 30th October 12:27
... sorry I mean TrollI gave the Jag dealer's demonstrator quite a thrashing over a day-long test drive and most of a tank of fuel. I returned the car, placed my deposit and by the time I got to the front of the queue and it was time to finalise the spec, the colour I wanted had been discontinued and a few EU driven unwanted features like gear-change nag-lights added.
I was offered the demonstrator for an extremely attractive price, but the fact it was a demonstrator and I'd seen how I'd driven it was a little offputting. I then realised that once my brand new one was built, it would get driven the same bloody way that I'd hooned around in the demonstrator, and bought the demonstrator in the colour I wanted with a saving big enough to pay for most hatchbacks.
15,000 miles on the clock now and still love the car.
Just enjoy it.
I was offered the demonstrator for an extremely attractive price, but the fact it was a demonstrator and I'd seen how I'd driven it was a little offputting. I then realised that once my brand new one was built, it would get driven the same bloody way that I'd hooned around in the demonstrator, and bought the demonstrator in the colour I wanted with a saving big enough to pay for most hatchbacks.
15,000 miles on the clock now and still love the car.
Just enjoy it.
I've driven all my cars hard from new - and that includes genuine 'performance' engines like that in my M3, my previous RS4 - and never had any engine wear related issues on any of them... Which is why I find it so amusing that someone is fretting and making such a fuss because they've driven the first 200 miles at a constant speed in a Boggo run of the mill 1.6 four pot n/a !
38911 said:
I've driven all my cars hard from new - and that includes genuine 'performance' engines like that in my M3, my previous RS4 - and never had any engine wear related issues on any of them... Which is why I find it so amusing that someone is fretting and making such a fuss because they've driven the first 200 miles at a constant speed in a Boggo run of the mill 1.6 four pot n/a !
Don't come in here with all your facts - It will not be tolerated...Right, I am off to NPE, you can getting a proper good hiding in there!
38911 said:
I've driven all my cars hard from new - and that includes genuine 'performance' engines like that in my M3, my previous RS4 - and never had any engine wear related issues on any of them... Which is why I find it so amusing that someone is fretting and making such a fuss because they've driven the first 200 miles at a constant speed in a Boggo run of the mill 1.6 four pot n/a !
You clearly judge other people's cars based on their absolute power and value. Bit of a snob really aren't you.I've had high power cars and discovered I get far more fun from working a smaller engine hard on these congested roads than only occasionally getting to see >4k rpm once in a blue moon. Besides I've got a motorcycle for high performance thrills (0-60 in 2.8 seconds in your language Mr Snob). So yes I know what it means to have "genuine performance" but there's more to life than just power believe it or not.
This thread is about technicalities of running in an engine and from a technical point of view the Swift unit is high performance for it's size. So it's going to be more sensitive to how it's run in than a 'boggo'' engine. 'But it is a boggo engine!' you cry. Ok well go and average the outputs of all mass produced 1.6 n/a petrol engines and come back and tell me it's not above average.
I intend to keep this car 10 years plus and don't know if I could ever justify getting a new car again due to only being a mere mechanical engineer. This makes this car precious to me. You might be some rich banker whom earns a swift a day so this car is nothing to you. The fact you go out of your way to mock others for not sharing your exact view on what a PH worthy car is and that the car isn't worth much anyway makes you a first class p£!€k.
The fact you work your cars hard from the word go despite your owner manual and countless qualified technical sources stating not to do so certifies your ignorance spectacularly. Then the fact you go on the Internet proclaiming it's fine to do so based on your incredibly limited and uncontrolled experience certifies your stupidity rather splendidly too. I take it you kept your RS4 till the engine went pop to ascertain it's longevity? Then presumably you stripped it down for wear and failure analysis? Thought not!
I look forward to your dim witted response..
VeeFource said:
You clearly judge other people's cars based on their absolute power and value. Bit of a snob really aren't you.
I've had high power cars and discovered I get far more fun from working a smaller engine hard on these congested roads than only occasionally getting to see >4k rpm once in a blue moon. Besides I've got a motorcycle for high performance thrills (0-60 in 2.8 seconds in your language Mr Snob). So yes I know what it means to have "genuine performance" but there's more to life than just power believe it or not.
This thread is about technicalities of running in an engine and from a technical point of view the Swift unit is high performance for it's size. So it's going to be more sensitive to how it's run in than a 'boggo'' engine. 'But it is a boggo engine!' you cry. Ok well go and average the outputs of all mass produced 1.6 n/a petrol engines and come back and tell me it's not above average.
I intend to keep this car 10 years plus and don't know if I could ever justify getting a new car again due to only being a mere mechanical engineer. This makes this car precious to me. You might be some rich banker whom earns a swift a day so this car is nothing to you. The fact you go out of your way to mock others for not sharing your exact view on what a PH worthy car is and that the car isn't worth much anyway makes you a first class p£!€k.
The fact you work your cars hard from the word go despite your owner manual and countless qualified technical sources stating not to do so certifies your ignorance spectacularly. Then the fact you go on the Internet proclaiming it's fine to do so based on your incredibly limited and uncontrolled experience certifies your stupidity rather splendidly too. I take it you kept your RS4 till the engine went pop to ascertain it's longevity? Then presumably you stripped it down for wear and failure analysis? Thought not!
I look forward to your dim witted response..
Quoted for posterity, and because I have been in the pub!I've had high power cars and discovered I get far more fun from working a smaller engine hard on these congested roads than only occasionally getting to see >4k rpm once in a blue moon. Besides I've got a motorcycle for high performance thrills (0-60 in 2.8 seconds in your language Mr Snob). So yes I know what it means to have "genuine performance" but there's more to life than just power believe it or not.
This thread is about technicalities of running in an engine and from a technical point of view the Swift unit is high performance for it's size. So it's going to be more sensitive to how it's run in than a 'boggo'' engine. 'But it is a boggo engine!' you cry. Ok well go and average the outputs of all mass produced 1.6 n/a petrol engines and come back and tell me it's not above average.
I intend to keep this car 10 years plus and don't know if I could ever justify getting a new car again due to only being a mere mechanical engineer. This makes this car precious to me. You might be some rich banker whom earns a swift a day so this car is nothing to you. The fact you go out of your way to mock others for not sharing your exact view on what a PH worthy car is and that the car isn't worth much anyway makes you a first class p£!€k.
The fact you work your cars hard from the word go despite your owner manual and countless qualified technical sources stating not to do so certifies your ignorance spectacularly. Then the fact you go on the Internet proclaiming it's fine to do so based on your incredibly limited and uncontrolled experience certifies your stupidity rather splendidly too. I take it you kept your RS4 till the engine went pop to ascertain it's longevity? Then presumably you stripped it down for wear and failure analysis? Thought not!
I look forward to your dim witted response..
VeeFource said:
38911 said:
I've driven all my cars hard from new - and that includes genuine 'performance' engines like that in my M3, my previous RS4 - and never had any engine wear related issues on any of them... Which is why I find it so amusing that someone is fretting and making such a fuss because they've driven the first 200 miles at a constant speed in a Boggo run of the mill 1.6 four pot n/a !
You clearly judge other people's cars based on their absolute power and value. Bit of a snob really aren't you.I've had high power cars and discovered I get far more fun from working a smaller engine hard on these congested roads than only occasionally getting to see >4k rpm once in a blue moon. Besides I've got a motorcycle for high performance thrills (0-60 in 2.8 seconds in your language Mr Snob). So yes I know what it means to have "genuine performance" but there's more to life than just power believe it or not.
This thread is about technicalities of running in an engine and from a technical point of view the Swift unit is high performance for it's size. So it's going to be more sensitive to how it's run in than a 'boggo'' engine. 'But it is a boggo engine!' you cry. Ok well go and average the outputs of all mass produced 1.6 n/a petrol engines and come back and tell me it's not above average.
I intend to keep this car 10 years plus and don't know if I could ever justify getting a new car again due to only being a mere mechanical engineer. This makes this car precious to me. You might be some rich banker whom earns a swift a day so this car is nothing to you. The fact you go out of your way to mock others for not sharing your exact view on what a PH worthy car is and that the car isn't worth much anyway makes you a first class p£!€k.
The fact you work your cars hard from the word go despite your owner manual and countless qualified technical sources stating not to do so certifies your ignorance spectacularly. Then the fact you go on the Internet proclaiming it's fine to do so based on your incredibly limited and uncontrolled experience certifies your stupidity rather splendidly too. I take it you kept your RS4 till the engine went pop to ascertain it's longevity? Then presumably you stripped it down for wear and failure analysis? Thought not!
I look forward to your dim witted response..
I think he was merely pointing out that he has high performance engines that really are specifically designed for hard work and had no issues.
Whilst your car is a cracking little drive, and yes 85bhp/litre is decent, it is ultimately a mass produced engine used in a number of other Suzuki variants and is intentionally made with stress levels way below its potential output and therefore greater level of 'user' tolerances in order to preserve reliability and save Suzuki engines from bankrupting warranty claims.
It is designed to tolerate poor user engine hygiene given its available in a bunch of places with poor fuel and oil quality, questionable driving standards and low level of owner engagement.
No ones accusing your car of being low rent, we get its special to you but ultimately it's just a family hatchback with a bit of pep and just follow whatever the manual says.
My wife had a Swift and it was pretty good and could take a thrashing so enjoy
VeeFource said:
You clearly judge other people's cars based on their absolute power and value. Bit of a snob really aren't you.
Nope. I've had as many low powered cars as I've had performance cars. However I never went round pretending my low powered cars were something they weren't.VeeFource said:
This thread is about technicalities of running in an engine
Which you clearly haven't got the first clue about because you started bleating about having driven the first 200 miles of your car at a constant speed, complaining that the dealer hadn't warned you, pretending that it makes a difference!!VeeFource said:
and from a technical point of view the Swift unit is high performance for it's size. So it's going to be more sensitive to how it's run in than a 'boggo'' engine.
No it isn't, No it won't. But if it makes you feel any better, carry on pretending.VeeFource said:
I intend to keep this car 10 years plus and don't know if I could ever justify getting a new car again due to only being a mere mechanical engineer. This makes this car precious to me.
Your swift won't last 10 years. It's a budget car. The Swift is now primarily designed for / sold in developing countries - e.g. It's one of the most popular cars in India - there are literally hundreds of thousands of them there. It's made from cheap components that are designed to be disposable/replaceable in countries which don't have the infrastructure to maintain complex cars. VeeFource said:
You might be some rich banker whom earns a swift a day so this car is nothing to you.
I've owned plenty of cheap cars. However I never went round pretending they were something special. VeeFource said:
I take it you kept your RS4 till the engine went pop to ascertain it's longevity? Then presumably you stripped it down for wear and failure analysis? Thought not!
Nope. I ran the RS4 to 95k. Then I sold it to a colleague who took it to 135k before he drove it into the back of a parked wagon, writing it off. Shame. During that time it never suffered any engine wear related failure so there was never any need for anyone to strip it down for failure analysis. That said, the RS4 always felt like a low stressed engine.
Another comparison would be my T5 Volvo which I ran up to 170k - and being a 5 cylinder Turbo, it was far more highly strung than a 1.6 n/a 4 pot. Again no engine wear related components failed - and that was despite being hooned from cold and having missed/late oil service intervals.
My Golf GT TDi (PD engine) - again turbocharged, 150PS - was also driven hard from day 1 - 20k oil changes, again no engine wear issues. (Everything else on the car failed, but the engine mechanicals were as strong as an ox).
Golf 3.2 R32 - same...
Honda S2000 - same...
Audi A3 1.8 20v turbo - same...
530d - same...
330i - same...
Passat 1.8 20v turbo - same...
Mondeo ST220 - same...
Focus ST170 - same... though the gearbox did eat itself @10k, but doubt that was anything to do with running in technique.
But clearly your Swift 1.6 is in a different league to all of the above and thus requires special treatment. In the words of Duncan Bannatyne, "I'm oot!"
38911 said:
VeeFource said:
Your swift won't last 10 years. It's a budget car. The Swift is now primarily designed for / sold in developing countries - e.g. It's one of the most popular cars in India - there are literally hundreds of thousands of them there. It's made from cheap components that are designed to be disposable/replaceable in countries which don't have the infrastructure to maintain complex cars.
I agree with most of what you've said. Running in a car isn't a "dark art"Just drive it normally, don't pussy foot around but don't abuse it.
I think however the above is a bit harsh, I see plenty of elderly budget cars running about without special attention. Look after them and 10yrs shouldn't be a problem.
Just to point out that poor running in (and missed oil changes, ragging from cold, etc.) most likely won't result in "engine-wear related failure", but may result in lower compression and increased oil use.
Just because it didn't blow up doesn't mean it's perfect.
as for the OP : I dunno.
Just because it didn't blow up doesn't mean it's perfect.
as for the OP : I dunno.
Normal driving for the first few hundred miles would be wise.
By "normal" I mean aiming for moderate throttle openings and engine speeds. Don't labour at low revs but don't persistently rev the nuts off it either; don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch but don't drive as though you're setting a world fuel economy record.
Motorway work won't harm it; unless you're extremely lucky (or do all your driving at 2am), normal traffic simply will not let you sit at constant speed for long periods. You'll be slowing down and accelerating often enough without really noticing.
Don't worry about it too much, just treat it sensibly and let the engine get warm before giving it full throttle or high revs. And enjoy the new car - I do like the Swift Sport
By "normal" I mean aiming for moderate throttle openings and engine speeds. Don't labour at low revs but don't persistently rev the nuts off it either; don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch but don't drive as though you're setting a world fuel economy record.
Motorway work won't harm it; unless you're extremely lucky (or do all your driving at 2am), normal traffic simply will not let you sit at constant speed for long periods. You'll be slowing down and accelerating often enough without really noticing.
Don't worry about it too much, just treat it sensibly and let the engine get warm before giving it full throttle or high revs. And enjoy the new car - I do like the Swift Sport
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