McLaren P1 beats LaFerrari & 918 Spyder round Silverstone

[TTmonkey]

kambites said:

Those figures are too close to call in terms of which is the "faster car". Even if they were all the same driver in identical conditions, personal preference in handling can make enough difference that a different, equally competent, driver would put the cars in the opposite order.

They're all bloody quick for standard road cars.

Yes too close. At another track with different characteristics this result could easily be reversed.

[briang9]

Was this on the same section of track as BTCC use?

Just wondered as JP holds the BTCC lap record there at 58.21, I would have thought these three would have been a little quicker?

[kambites]

briang9 said:

Was this on the same section of track as BTCC use?

Just wondered as JP holds the BTCC lap record there at 58.21 I would have thought these three would have been a little quicker?

Yup, same circuit. Obviously the BTCC cars are running slicks though which are probably worth several seconds even on such a short lap.

[Krikkit]

kambites said:

briang9 said:

Was this on the same section of track as BTCC use?

Just wondered as JP holds the BTCC lap record there at 58.21 I would have thought these three would have been a little quicker?

Yup, same circuit. Obviously the BTCC cars are running slicks though which are probably worth several seconds even on such a short lap.

Yep. They may have significantly less power, but pure race suspension and sticky slicks will win you many seconds.

Interesting there's no mention of the tyres and condition on each of the cars - are they on the factory rubber, brand new on each? Doubt it.

[FeelingLucky]

I'm surprised nobody's yet mentioned that the P1 was most disadvantaged by time of day / conditions.

I'm also surprised that AOK described the LaF as "beautiful", of the three, I'd say the least attractive by some way.

Edited by FeelingLucky on Friday 9th October 21:53

[Petrus1983]

I think it's sad in the knowledge of what has become of that 918. However - in this demonstration I feel the close times are more to do with the driver than the cars. He obviously had a comfort level that induced those times - as would be expected.

[GroundEffect]

briang9 said:

Was this on the same section of track as BTCC use?

Just wondered as JP holds the BTCC lap record there at 58.21, I would have thought these three would have been a little quicker?

Which shows just how much bks these road-car track shootouts are. Tyres and suspension make so much difference that unless it's truly apples for apples, it means sod-all.

[Scuffers]

GroundEffect said:

briang9 said:

Was this on the same section of track as BTCC use?

Just wondered as JP holds the BTCC lap record there at 58.21, I would have thought these three would have been a little quicker?

Which shows just how much bks these road-car track shootouts are. Tyres and suspension make so much difference that unless it's truly apples for apples, it means sod-all.

national cct is pretty much 3 straight lines, 1 fast corner and 3 slow corners.

I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?

[AOK]

FeelingLucky said:

I'm also surprised that AOK described the LaF as "beautiful", of the three, I'd say the least attractive by some way.

Ha! A case of beauty in the eye of the beholder perhaps? I do realise there is quite a bit of disapproval regarding the F70 styling but I genuinely do think it is the best looking out of the 3 (by quite some way too!). The 'empty skull' styling at the rear of the P1 does nothing for me and the 918 (in the flesh) really doesn't look as menacing/special as you'd expect it to. From some angles it looks awkward actually.

The F70 stirs me the most. Beautifully low at the front with a pointy nose like a Formula car, loads of sweeping lines and curves in the middle, a fat stance and those incredibly delicate mirrors set it off in my opinion. It's huge in the flesh too, which certainly adds to the presence. Probably the car that brought me round to Ferrari's actually, as I never used to appreciate them that much.

That's the great thing about cars though, we can agree to disagree

[cptsideways]

Scuffers said:

national cct is pretty much 3 straight lines, 1 fast corner and 3 slow corners.

I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?

I did'nt think those times were that impressive either, I'm sure some of the Silverstone instructors might be be able to better...

[Digger]

The cynic in me would be intrigued by the results on either a German or Italian track.

Edited by Digger on Friday 9th October 23:08

[RXED]

I don't want to take anything away from the Woking boys, but this is hardly a fair test when the driver just happens to be their production car test driver! Surely he is most comfortable in the car he drives the most and hence, quicker?

[GroundEffect]

cptsideways said:

Scuffers said:

national cct is pretty much 3 straight lines, 1 fast corner and 3 slow corners.

I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?

I did'nt think those times were that impressive either, I'm sure some of the Silverstone instructors might be be able to better...

Than Jackson who dominated the BTCC round on that circuit only a few weeks ago?

[BigBen]

GroundEffect said:

briang9 said:

Was this on the same section of track as BTCC use?

Just wondered as JP holds the BTCC lap record there at 58.21, I would have thought these three would have been a little quicker?

Which shows just how much bks these road-car track shootouts are. Tyres and suspension make so much difference that unless it's truly apples for apples, it means sod-all.

Agree on tyres as they are easily changed, but the suspension is surely a pretty fundamental part of the car's design.

[RacerMike]

GroundEffect said:

cptsideways said:

Scuffers said:

national cct is pretty much 3 straight lines, 1 fast corner and 3 slow corners.

I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?

I did'nt think those times were that impressive either, I'm sure some of the Silverstone instructors might be be able to better...

Than Jackson who dominated the BTCC round on that circuit only a few weeks ago?

Also the Jackson who is a test driver for McLarens road car devision, and did a great deal of the development on the P1. Not wanting to be too cynical, but when you're that familiar with a car, it's not really that surprising you can get a super fast lap out of it.

It will be interesting to see Chris Harris' test and the 'Amazon Prime does Top Gear' one too. This is the first test the 918 hasn't anhialated the P1...

[BoRED S2upid]

Not much in that! I wonder what the gaps would look like after 10 or 50 laps?

[GroundEffect]

RacerMike said:

GroundEffect said:

cptsideways said:

Scuffers said:

national cct is pretty much 3 straight lines, 1 fast corner and 3 slow corners.

I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?

I did'nt think those times were that impressive either, I'm sure some of the Silverstone instructors might be be able to better...

Than Jackson who dominated the BTCC round on that circuit only a few weeks ago?

Also the Jackson who is a test driver for McLarens road car devision, and did a great deal of the development on the P1. Not wanting to be too cynical, but when you're that familiar with a car, it's not really that surprising you can get a super fast lap out of it.

It will be interesting to see Chris Harris' test and the 'Amazon Prime does Top Gear' one too. This is the first test the 918 hasn't anhialated the P1...

The P1 being fastest isn't that surprising to me. It's the 918 being faster than the LaF that is - its 300kg heavier and over 100PS down (remember the front motor of the 918 decouples above around 230kph so it loses a big chunk of power).

The 918 is the prettiest anyway

[Chr1sch]

I've always found scd stuff to be a little loose in terms of details but a great spectacle all the same

I believe Chris Harris is about to release his own version, which I would always regard as more credible and impartial (albeit I know he has a rep for Porsche bias he has always declared the P1 as the Mecca)

Should be good...

[Ollywood]

It could also show why Mclaren and Ferrari didn't post any Nurburgring lap times. Maybe Porsche did set a lap time they couldn't beat...

And a real pity that one:1 didn't get to do that Nurburgring lap.

So the radical is still the fastest car out there. It does still hold the Nurburgring record.

[playalistic]

That particular 918 is a wreck now :/