McLaren P1 beats LaFerrari & 918 Spyder round Silverstone
Discussion
Ollywood said:
It could also show why Mclaren and Ferrari didn't post any Nurburgring lap times. Maybe Porsche did set a lap time they couldn't beat...
And a real pity that one:1 didn't get to do that Nurburgring lap.
So the radical is still the fastest car out there. It does still hold the Nurburgring record.
tosh,And a real pity that one:1 didn't get to do that Nurburgring lap.
So the radical is still the fastest car out there. It does still hold the Nurburgring record.
1) since when can you honestly call the radnail a road car? (in the proper sense of a homologated production car)
2) lap record for Nurburgring is still Bellof's 6:25.91 from 1983 (outright fastest lap was him at 6:11.13)
Until one of these 'supercars' can get close to that, it's laughable to talk Nurburgring records.
graeme4130 said:
Another point worth considering, is that the Porsche isn't the Weissach pack car, which adds some aero and loses some weight, so might be a different result if they had the best model they do, which, I believe is what CH and the TG trio are using
That car was a Weissach pack car but presumably with options like aircon and stereo added back, as every other real world customer has one would assume. If the TG/CH car is a fully stripped out press car that is unlike any other customer car, which 'test' then is a better reflection of each car's actual pace as it would be 3 factory cars being compared vs customer cars?cptsideways said:
Scuffers said:
national cct is pretty much 3 straight lines, 1 fast corner and 3 slow corners.
I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?
I did'nt think those times were that impressive either, I'm sure some of the Silverstone instructors might be be able to better...I am somewhat shocked at how slow they all are?
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/silverstone-national...
So these three hypercars are way ahead of the pack. Autocar have been here too (the magazine's on my shelf somewhere..), so I've seen plenty of road car times and I've never seen a road car go under a minute.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but there are of course plenty of racing cars available for well under £20k that would comfortably beat the times set by the P1, 918 and LF (in fact I own one!). Whilst I admire these three hypercars cars for the engineering achievement that they are within worldwide road car regulations (cf the SR8's SVA..), I'm sure I speak for most of us in saying that even if I was a squillionaire I'd probably be happier with a racing car for the track that would do 50-55 secs around SS Nat, even high 40s from something really fruity, and then a separate road car (or twenty) that I enjoyed driving on the road and on track days. That doesn't take away from what cars like the P1 have achieved, but I'm not entirely sure that I see the point for a private owner if they've got the readies to buy and run a dedicated track car that would be faster (and a hell of a lot more composed than in that video!) and also a road car that's more usable on the road.
RobM77 said:
Compared to what though? Personally I think that for a road car, going under a minute around Silverstone Nat is extremely impressive. Here are some other road car times:
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/silverstone-national...
So these three hypercars are way ahead of the pack. Autocar have been here too (the magazine's on my shelf somewhere..), so I've seen plenty of road car times and I've never seen a road car go under a minute.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but there are of course plenty of racing cars available for well under £20k that would comfortably beat the times set by the P1, 918 and LF (in fact I own one!). Whilst I admire these three hypercars cars for the engineering achievement that they are within worldwide road car regulations (cf the SR8's SVA..), I'm sure I speak for most of us in saying that even if I was a squillionaire I'd probably be happier with a racing car for the track that would do 50-55 secs around SS Nat, even high 40s from something really fruity, and then a separate road car (or twenty) that I enjoyed driving on the road and on track days. That doesn't take away from what cars like the P1 have achieved, but I'm not entirely sure that I see the point for a private owner if they've got the readies to buy and run a dedicated track car that would be faster (and a hell of a lot more composed than in that video!) and also a road car that's more usable on the road.
well, having been round there in a road car (Exige) in 56.128 in less than ideal conditions, I would argue the point.http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/silverstone-national...
So these three hypercars are way ahead of the pack. Autocar have been here too (the magazine's on my shelf somewhere..), so I've seen plenty of road car times and I've never seen a road car go under a minute.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but there are of course plenty of racing cars available for well under £20k that would comfortably beat the times set by the P1, 918 and LF (in fact I own one!). Whilst I admire these three hypercars cars for the engineering achievement that they are within worldwide road car regulations (cf the SR8's SVA..), I'm sure I speak for most of us in saying that even if I was a squillionaire I'd probably be happier with a racing car for the track that would do 50-55 secs around SS Nat, even high 40s from something really fruity, and then a separate road car (or twenty) that I enjoyed driving on the road and on track days. That doesn't take away from what cars like the P1 have achieved, but I'm not entirely sure that I see the point for a private owner if they've got the readies to buy and run a dedicated track car that would be faster (and a hell of a lot more composed than in that video!) and also a road car that's more usable on the road.
Yes, tyres make a huge difference, BUT, the National cct is very much about straight line speed, yet they appear to be topping out at what? 150-160Mph?
Quite frankly, I expected them to be going significantly faster than this.
I've only seen the 918 and P1 in the flesh (guy around here owns a 918 and commutes to work in it on Fridays by the looks of it) and the 918 is as stunning in the flesh as in the pictures. The P1 I don't like the look of it. Laffer I don't like the look of in pictures, but never seen one IRL.
They are all clearly monumentally fast. I just think the 918 looks and sounds the best.
They are all clearly monumentally fast. I just think the 918 looks and sounds the best.
Scuffers said:
RobM77 said:
Compared to what though? Personally I think that for a road car, going under a minute around Silverstone Nat is extremely impressive. Here are some other road car times:
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/silverstone-national...
So these three hypercars are way ahead of the pack. Autocar have been here too (the magazine's on my shelf somewhere..), so I've seen plenty of road car times and I've never seen a road car go under a minute.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but there are of course plenty of racing cars available for well under £20k that would comfortably beat the times set by the P1, 918 and LF (in fact I own one!). Whilst I admire these three hypercars cars for the engineering achievement that they are within worldwide road car regulations (cf the SR8's SVA..), I'm sure I speak for most of us in saying that even if I was a squillionaire I'd probably be happier with a racing car for the track that would do 50-55 secs around SS Nat, even high 40s from something really fruity, and then a separate road car (or twenty) that I enjoyed driving on the road and on track days. That doesn't take away from what cars like the P1 have achieved, but I'm not entirely sure that I see the point for a private owner if they've got the readies to buy and run a dedicated track car that would be faster (and a hell of a lot more composed than in that video!) and also a road car that's more usable on the road.
well, having been round there in a road car (Exige) in 56.128 in less than ideal conditions, I would argue the point.http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/silverstone-national...
So these three hypercars are way ahead of the pack. Autocar have been here too (the magazine's on my shelf somewhere..), so I've seen plenty of road car times and I've never seen a road car go under a minute.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but there are of course plenty of racing cars available for well under £20k that would comfortably beat the times set by the P1, 918 and LF (in fact I own one!). Whilst I admire these three hypercars cars for the engineering achievement that they are within worldwide road car regulations (cf the SR8's SVA..), I'm sure I speak for most of us in saying that even if I was a squillionaire I'd probably be happier with a racing car for the track that would do 50-55 secs around SS Nat, even high 40s from something really fruity, and then a separate road car (or twenty) that I enjoyed driving on the road and on track days. That doesn't take away from what cars like the P1 have achieved, but I'm not entirely sure that I see the point for a private owner if they've got the readies to buy and run a dedicated track car that would be faster (and a hell of a lot more composed than in that video!) and also a road car that's more usable on the road.
Yes, tyres make a huge difference, BUT, the National cct is very much about straight line speed, yet they appear to be topping out at what? 150-160Mph?
Quite frankly, I expected them to be going significantly faster than this.
frontsplitter said:
/End of thread for me.The key point in my post was that these cars are fully type approved in many different countries. Even my bog standard 2-11 was only road legal in the UK as far as I know.
I'm interested in the Exige though - 56s is pretty quick for a sports car around there!
I presume that's running slicks? Was the ride height road legal?
I'm interested in the Exige though - 56s is pretty quick for a sports car around there!
I presume that's running slicks? Was the ride height road legal?isaldiri said:
graeme4130 said:
Another point worth considering, is that the Porsche isn't the Weissach pack car, which adds some aero and loses some weight, so might be a different result if they had the best model they do, which, I believe is what CH and the TG trio are using
That car was a Weissach pack car but presumably with options like aircon and stereo added back, as every other real world customer has one would assume. If the TG/CH car is a fully stripped out press car that is unlike any other customer car, which 'test' then is a better reflection of each car's actual pace as it would be 3 factory cars being compared vs customer cars?It'll be interesting to see if the P-UK car is the fully stripped version, and whether it makes a measurable difference
I'm sure TBH, that the performance difference is so marginal on these cars, that on any other circuit, with a different balance of long/short sections and high traction sharp exits, the results may be different.
Maybe a better comparison test would be the same 'non professional' driver in each car, to see what the difference would be like for a normal owner
Either way, I'll look forward to seeing the other videos
Expectation from the beginning was that the P1 would be considerably faster than everything else on the tracks. Turns out it wasn't, and everyone loves the underdog, which in this case is the Porsche. Oddly most threads seem to be about either the P1 or the 918 the LaF seems to be in danger of being forgotten about.
Scuffers said:
Given that kind of cash, i want the old carrera GT
Everyone has different priorities I guess. As I said above, if you want to do 58s around Silverstone National circuit, there are loads of choices for under £20k, including much faster cars that'll get into the low 50s, and then if you want to enjoy yourself on an untimed trackday or a mountain road, something like the Carrera GT is perfect. That's how I think though (and perhaps you too) - not everyone is the same though Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff