Castrol Nexcel...surely just snake oil...
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So, this week Castrol have announced the launch of their Nexcel concept, whereby all future internal combustion engines will be sump-less/dry sump and the car/truck manufacturers will have to re-design their complete model offerings in order to package-in this new oil filled box as the engine oil reservoir; really? yes...
Now, I've known about this project for nearly two years even though I am not associated with Castrol or BP and being told that Castrol's new oil 'technology' will revolutionize engine oils; are they really that dumb? To think every global car manufacturer will change oil reservoir storage location for a simple oil supplier?
Castrol make many claims of this new 'superbox' [really, it's just an oil cartridge holding some Castrol oil that happens to plug into an engine...even though it's in completely the wrong location...but more on that later] makes oil changes quicker, will remove 200,000 oil tanker deliveries per annum and...not this old nutshell again...help save the planet by reducing C02 emissions. Even after studying this 'superbox' the only potential saving is in the time it takes to change an engine's oil.
Castrol appear to have been extensively driven by their marketing people on this one...in engineering terms one reads 'the blind leading the blind'...to reduce oil tanker deliveries one needs to reduce the oil capacity delivered and as car production volumes are not reducing, that is not going to happen :. false claim #1. CO2...unless within the 'superbox' there's some 'Unobtanium oil tech' the engine oils remain the same which still produce the same volumes of HC's through the breather system and the same waste oil volumes at point of engine oil changes :. false claim #2. Location...there's a reason why oils are kept in sumps 1. oil naturally flows downhill :. taking all/most carbon and metallic deposit with it the be held within the lower sump area/attached to the magnetic sump plug, 2. sumps happen to be very effective at providing primary cooling to the engine oil with secondary cooling from an oil cooler[if fitted]. So why locate an engines oil reservoir high up within an engine compartment which happens to have the highest under bonnet temperature with the least amount of air flow...?
Here's some of their publicity...would be interesting to hear others thoughts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsL669wfh_M
http://worldindustrialreporter.com/castrols-nexcel...
and some other international views...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.ph...
and I leave you with Castrol's CEO bulls
t PR Blurb...
Paul Waterman, Castrol CEO, said: "We believe this is the biggest leap forward in oil change technology in the history of the combustion engine. Castrol's engineers are leaders in their field and have come up with a really innovative piece of technology. It's the result of almost three years' work but as soon as people see the benefits in emissions and servicing as well as the substantial environmental benefits, they will ask why it hasn't been done before." ref' http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/09/castrol-nexcel-...
Now, I've known about this project for nearly two years even though I am not associated with Castrol or BP and being told that Castrol's new oil 'technology' will revolutionize engine oils; are they really that dumb? To think every global car manufacturer will change oil reservoir storage location for a simple oil supplier?
Castrol make many claims of this new 'superbox' [really, it's just an oil cartridge holding some Castrol oil that happens to plug into an engine...even though it's in completely the wrong location...but more on that later] makes oil changes quicker, will remove 200,000 oil tanker deliveries per annum and...not this old nutshell again...help save the planet by reducing C02 emissions. Even after studying this 'superbox' the only potential saving is in the time it takes to change an engine's oil.
Castrol appear to have been extensively driven by their marketing people on this one...in engineering terms one reads 'the blind leading the blind'...to reduce oil tanker deliveries one needs to reduce the oil capacity delivered and as car production volumes are not reducing, that is not going to happen :. false claim #1. CO2...unless within the 'superbox' there's some 'Unobtanium oil tech' the engine oils remain the same which still produce the same volumes of HC's through the breather system and the same waste oil volumes at point of engine oil changes :. false claim #2. Location...there's a reason why oils are kept in sumps 1. oil naturally flows downhill :. taking all/most carbon and metallic deposit with it the be held within the lower sump area/attached to the magnetic sump plug, 2. sumps happen to be very effective at providing primary cooling to the engine oil with secondary cooling from an oil cooler[if fitted]. So why locate an engines oil reservoir high up within an engine compartment which happens to have the highest under bonnet temperature with the least amount of air flow...?
Here's some of their publicity...would be interesting to hear others thoughts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsL669wfh_M
http://worldindustrialreporter.com/castrols-nexcel...
and some other international views...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.ph...
and I leave you with Castrol's CEO bulls
t PR Blurb...Paul Waterman, Castrol CEO, said: "We believe this is the biggest leap forward in oil change technology in the history of the combustion engine. Castrol's engineers are leaders in their field and have come up with a really innovative piece of technology. It's the result of almost three years' work but as soon as people see the benefits in emissions and servicing as well as the substantial environmental benefits, they will ask why it hasn't been done before." ref' http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/09/castrol-nexcel-...
Nobody treats an oil change like a pit stop, do they?
also are Castrol just 'hoping' that all the car manufacturers redesign their engine bays and oil systems to adopt their system?
seems a load of bks to me. Anyway with the new super dooper oils and variable servicing I image the number of oil changes is already going down.
also are Castrol just 'hoping' that all the car manufacturers redesign their engine bays and oil systems to adopt their system?
seems a load of b
ks to me. Anyway with the new super dooper oils and variable servicing I image the number of oil changes is already going down.marshalla said:
Vaud said:
Not least, manufacturers won't want oil changes to be "really easy"...
Manufacturers don't care. Dealers, on the other hand...Given the percentage of the 30m drivers in the UK who are able and willing to change their own wiper blades, swap a wheel or even measure the tread or oil levels, it's not like the market for dealer/garage oil changes will disappear.
I'm sure an oil change on a regular car could done just as quick with a sump pump and an oil can.
Judging by the picture, it seems to be a removable plastic reservoir for a dry sump.
"Where the driver will see a benefit – and it’s quite significant – is time.”
Fantastic, so you can pic up your car from a service 18 and a half minutes earlier. *
Once again, a group of bored engineers have fixed a problem that doesn't exist.
* note - during the time waiting for the oil to drain, the service guy might actually do other stuff as well, so 18.5 mins is the maximum possible time saving assuming he stands there transfixed by the draining oil.
Judging by the picture, it seems to be a removable plastic reservoir for a dry sump.
"Where the driver will see a benefit – and it’s quite significant – is time.”
Fantastic, so you can pic up your car from a service 18 and a half minutes earlier. *
Once again, a group of bored engineers have fixed a problem that doesn't exist.
* note - during the time waiting for the oil to drain, the service guy might actually do other stuff as well, so 18.5 mins is the maximum possible time saving assuming he stands there transfixed by the draining oil.
v8250 said:
So, this week Castrol have announced the launch of their Nexcel concept, whereby all future internal combustion engines will be sump-less/dry sump and the car/truck manufacturers will have to re-design their complete model offerings in order to package-in this new oil filled box as the engine oil reservoir; really? yes...
Now, I've known about this project for nearly two years even though I am not associated with Castrol or BP and being told that Castrol's new oil 'technology' will revolutionize engine oils; are they really that dumb? To think every global car manufacturer will change oil reservoir storage location for a simple oil supplier?
Castrol make many claims of this new 'superbox' [really, it's just an oil cartridge holding some Castrol oil that happens to plug into an engine...even though it's in completely the wrong location...but more on that later] makes oil changes quicker, will remove 200,000 oil tanker deliveries per annum and...not this old nutshell again...help save the planet by reducing C02 emissions. Even after studying this 'superbox' the only potential saving is in the time it takes to change an engine's oil.
Castrol appear to have been extensively driven by their marketing people on this one...in engineering terms one reads 'the blind leading the blind'...to reduce oil tanker deliveries one needs to reduce the oil capacity delivered and as car production volumes are not reducing, that is not going to happen :. false claim #1. CO2...unless within the 'superbox' there's some 'Unobtanium oil tech' the engine oils remain the same which still produce the same volumes of HC's through the breather system and the same waste oil volumes at point of engine oil changes :. false claim #2. Location...there's a reason why oils are kept in sumps 1. oil naturally flows downhill :. taking all/most carbon and metallic deposit with it the be held within the lower sump area/attached to the magnetic sump plug, 2. sumps happen to be very effective at providing primary cooling to the engine oil with secondary cooling from an oil cooler[if fitted]. So why locate an engines oil reservoir high up within an engine compartment which happens to have the highest under bonnet temperature with the least amount of air flow...?
Here's some of their publicity...would be interesting to hear others thoughts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsL669wfh_M
http://worldindustrialreporter.com/castrols-nexcel...
and some other international views...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.ph...
and I leave you with Castrol's CEO bullst PR Blurb...
Paul Waterman, Castrol CEO, said: "We believe this is the biggest leap forward in oil change technology in the history of the combustion engine. Castrol's engineers are leaders in their field and have come up with a really innovative piece of technology. It's the result of almost three years' work but as soon as people see the benefits in emissions and servicing as well as the substantial environmental benefits, they will ask why it hasn't been done before." ref' http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/09/castrol-nexcel-...
I don't see why you need to be so dismissive of something when you don't actually know how it works.Now, I've known about this project for nearly two years even though I am not associated with Castrol or BP and being told that Castrol's new oil 'technology' will revolutionize engine oils; are they really that dumb? To think every global car manufacturer will change oil reservoir storage location for a simple oil supplier?
Castrol make many claims of this new 'superbox' [really, it's just an oil cartridge holding some Castrol oil that happens to plug into an engine...even though it's in completely the wrong location...but more on that later] makes oil changes quicker, will remove 200,000 oil tanker deliveries per annum and...not this old nutshell again...help save the planet by reducing C02 emissions. Even after studying this 'superbox' the only potential saving is in the time it takes to change an engine's oil.
Castrol appear to have been extensively driven by their marketing people on this one...in engineering terms one reads 'the blind leading the blind'...to reduce oil tanker deliveries one needs to reduce the oil capacity delivered and as car production volumes are not reducing, that is not going to happen :. false claim #1. CO2...unless within the 'superbox' there's some 'Unobtanium oil tech' the engine oils remain the same which still produce the same volumes of HC's through the breather system and the same waste oil volumes at point of engine oil changes :. false claim #2. Location...there's a reason why oils are kept in sumps 1. oil naturally flows downhill :. taking all/most carbon and metallic deposit with it the be held within the lower sump area/attached to the magnetic sump plug, 2. sumps happen to be very effective at providing primary cooling to the engine oil with secondary cooling from an oil cooler[if fitted]. So why locate an engines oil reservoir high up within an engine compartment which happens to have the highest under bonnet temperature with the least amount of air flow...?
Here's some of their publicity...would be interesting to hear others thoughts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsL669wfh_M
http://worldindustrialreporter.com/castrols-nexcel...
and some other international views...
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.ph...
and I leave you with Castrol's CEO bulls
t PR Blurb...Paul Waterman, Castrol CEO, said: "We believe this is the biggest leap forward in oil change technology in the history of the combustion engine. Castrol's engineers are leaders in their field and have come up with a really innovative piece of technology. It's the result of almost three years' work but as soon as people see the benefits in emissions and servicing as well as the substantial environmental benefits, they will ask why it hasn't been done before." ref' http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/09/castrol-nexcel-...
I don't know why you think it would be so unbelievable that manufacturers would redesign thier cars to accommodate this, have you considered that maybe this is something the industry has actually been asking for.
A black box which you regularly need to buy replacements for, but can only get from a restricted source, that is every manufacturer's dream
ging84 said:
I don't see why you need to be so dismissive of something when you don't actually know how it works.
I don't know why you think it would be so unbelievable that manufacturers would redesign their cars to accommodate this, have you considered that maybe this is something the industry has actually been asking for.
A black box which you regularly need to buy replacements for, but can only get from a restricted source, that is every manufacturer's dream
It's not the case of being dismissive, it's the case of highlighting yet another poorly designed and unecessary device that would be forced upon the consumer in the name of new technology that's being promoted as the 'next big thing', when clearly it is not. As others have rightly said, and have quickly recognized, this oil box is answering a problem that doesn't exist. If the oil box was of genuinely good design and solved an existing technical issue/real world need then Castrol would have come up trumps, but they have not done this. Far greater an issue would be to resolve the inherent inefficiencies and the internal combustion engine without the smoke and mirrors of EV's which is simply shifting pollution emissions from point of consumption to point of production, but hey, from one engineer to another we both know the oil/petrochem Co's and Govts have far too many $1000Bn's in financial revenues at risk to ever go down this route.I don't know why you think it would be so unbelievable that manufacturers would redesign their cars to accommodate this, have you considered that maybe this is something the industry has actually been asking for.
A black box which you regularly need to buy replacements for, but can only get from a restricted source, that is every manufacturer's dream
Weirdhead said:
rohrl said:
I got absolutely covered in oil after having to hammer a screwdruiver through the old filter because it wouldn't unscrew.
Isn't that the correct way to remove an oil filter? Ha
I have three different devices which all promise to unscrew an oil filter but yeah, it's normally what I have to resort to. This time I had to approach the filter from underneath the car and so the oil ran all the way down my arm, into my armpit and down my back.
rohrl said:
Weirdhead said:
rohrl said:
I got absolutely covered in oil after having to hammer a screwdruiver through the old filter because it wouldn't unscrew.
Isn't that the correct way to remove an oil filter? Ha
I have three different devices which all promise to unscrew an oil filter but yeah, it's normally what I have to resort to. This time I had to approach the filter from underneath the car and so the oil ran all the way down my arm, into my armpit and down my back.
Screwdrivers are dangerous territory. It's not uncommon to tear the filter apart leaving you half a filter still overtightened on to the filter housing and no simple means of getting it off - then you're knackered.
With a smear of oil on the seal of a new filter and single hand tightened on, it will come off again with 2 hands to unscrew it or a chain wrench at worst.
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