Supercar stag do vs Police
Discussion
C.A.R. said:
Why are you so keen to offend the people who made that observation, who later turned out to be 100% correct?
The same sort of people who were 100% wrong in their "observation" that Christopher Jefferies must have murdered Joanna Yeates in Bristol...Guessing in these matters is always rubbish, whether the guess turns out to be right or wrong.
C.A.R. said:
"Statistics"
Google it, you plonker.
So now you're against speculation? But probably hold dearly to your right of freedom of speech, just keen to deny it to others when you don't quite like the subject matter.
You're jump-to-an-accusation attitude is the real, widespread problem here.
Here you go dick head:Google it, you plonker.
So now you're against speculation? But probably hold dearly to your right of freedom of speech, just keen to deny it to others when you don't quite like the subject matter.
You're jump-to-an-accusation attitude is the real, widespread problem here.
Statistics is the study of the collection, analysis, interpretation, presentation, and organization of data.
Where is your data?
Racist, dress it up as you like, but its an unfortunate indication of where we are today. As for freedom of speech, say what you like, but when someone rightfully calls you out as a racist, have a sound argument. Yours is flawed. Anyway, theres a cold Belgium beer waiting for me. Bye.
Ozzie Osmond said:
C.A.R. said:
Why are you so keen to offend the people who made that observation, who later turned out to be 100% correct?
The same sort of people who were 100% wrong in their "observation" that Christopher Jefferies must have murdered Joanna Yeates in Bristol...Guessing in these matters is always rubbish, whether the guess turns out to be right or wrong.
As a white bloke I dont mind when other groups point out stuff we collectively tend to do, we all have traits and I dont assume when someone from another group says something that its racist ?
French Calling Brits "Rosbif", fair enough, we had Roast Beef on Sunday.
Australians calling us "Whinging Poms", Ill live.
Etc etc, but then I have never experienced oppression, so maybe its easier but its all in the intent anyway, if some Asian folk were pointing out about white4 blokes driving MGB's round in packs and stopping at country pubs to cause absolutely no mayhem, I wouldnt be offended.
French Calling Brits "Rosbif", fair enough, we had Roast Beef on Sunday.
Australians calling us "Whinging Poms", Ill live.
Etc etc, but then I have never experienced oppression, so maybe its easier but its all in the intent anyway, if some Asian folk were pointing out about white4 blokes driving MGB's round in packs and stopping at country pubs to cause absolutely no mayhem, I wouldnt be offended.
VonSenger said:
Here you go dick head:
Statistics is the study of the collection, analysis, interpretation, presentation, and organization of data.
Where is your data?
Racist, dress it up as you like, but its an unfortunate indication of where we are today. As for freedom of speech, say what you like, but when someone rightfully calls you out as a racist, have a sound argument. Yours is flawed. Anyway, theres a cold Belgium beer waiting for me. Bye.
The DATA is that this has happened a few times now. So when you hear the story you can have a bloody good guess who it involved, and they were right. Statistics is the study of the collection, analysis, interpretation, presentation, and organization of data.
Where is your data?
Racist, dress it up as you like, but its an unfortunate indication of where we are today. As for freedom of speech, say what you like, but when someone rightfully calls you out as a racist, have a sound argument. Yours is flawed. Anyway, theres a cold Belgium beer waiting for me. Bye.
It's nothing to do with being racist.
When you read the stories about a man caught shagging a sheep do you immediately think "Oh, I bet that was a banker working in the city?" Of course not, well all laugh and say "Would it be wrong to presume this might be a lonely unmarried Welshman living in the valleys?"
Or when the news reports tell a story about a man trying to marry his sister we all think "Normal for Norfolk!".
Aussies calling us 'Poms' or yanks calling us Limeys, French calling us Rosbif, so what? Being able to laugh at each others stereo typical traits is a good thing.
Get a grip.
C.A.R. said:
I'm struggling with you here.
We've established (long ago) the ethnicity of the 'supercar idiots', so any discussion in this topic is going to be about both subjects.
I don't think St John Smythe even identified that there were two groups, your post is what takes everything out of context, nobody is defending this group of idiots based on their actions, but some are defending their ethnicity be brought into a discussion when it clearly is a factor. Discussing it is not racist (for the 4th time).
Your question in the first post I quoted has no point. So what is your point? You even played on the 'interesting' part of St John Smythe's post, as though to mock him, but it was nonsensical and without logic.
Sigh again. I'm struggling too.We've established (long ago) the ethnicity of the 'supercar idiots', so any discussion in this topic is going to be about both subjects.
I don't think St John Smythe even identified that there were two groups, your post is what takes everything out of context, nobody is defending this group of idiots based on their actions, but some are defending their ethnicity be brought into a discussion when it clearly is a factor. Discussing it is not racist (for the 4th time).
Your question in the first post I quoted has no point. So what is your point? You even played on the 'interesting' part of St John Smythe's post, as though to mock him, but it was nonsensical and without logic.
You're right, St John didn't identify that there were two groups, can you show me where I suggested that he did? My point was the exact opposite of that, that he is conflating "defenders of supercar idiots" and "those playing the racism card" as though they were one and the same. Sad though it may be, I found that interesting in terms of how another poster views the debate.
You keep accusing me of taking things out of context, but as far as I can tell you're not actually reading my posts anyway.
St John Smythe said:
These kind of knee jerk reactions pretty much sum up the problem so thanks for the excellent example post highlighting this.
What knee jerk reaction is that then? An observation I made about how you appear to be struggling to differentiate between two apparently separate groups? Lighten up...tomjol said:
C.A.R. said:
I'm struggling with you here.
We've established (long ago) the ethnicity of the 'supercar idiots', so any discussion in this topic is going to be about both subjects.
I don't think St John Smythe even identified that there were two groups, your post is what takes everything out of context, nobody is defending this group of idiots based on their actions, but some are defending their ethnicity be brought into a discussion when it clearly is a factor. Discussing it is not racist (for the 4th time).
Your question in the first post I quoted has no point. So what is your point? You even played on the 'interesting' part of St John Smythe's post, as though to mock him, but it was nonsensical and without logic.
Sigh again. I'm struggling too.We've established (long ago) the ethnicity of the 'supercar idiots', so any discussion in this topic is going to be about both subjects.
I don't think St John Smythe even identified that there were two groups, your post is what takes everything out of context, nobody is defending this group of idiots based on their actions, but some are defending their ethnicity be brought into a discussion when it clearly is a factor. Discussing it is not racist (for the 4th time).
Your question in the first post I quoted has no point. So what is your point? You even played on the 'interesting' part of St John Smythe's post, as though to mock him, but it was nonsensical and without logic.
You're right, St John didn't identify that there were two groups, can you show me where I suggested that he did? My point was the exact opposite of that, that he is conflating "defenders of supercar idiots" and "those playing the racism card" as though they were one and the same. Sad though it may be, I found that interesting in terms of how another poster views the debate.
You keep accusing me of taking things out of context, but as far as I can tell you're not actually reading my posts anyway.
St John Smythe said:
These kind of knee jerk reactions pretty much sum up the problem so thanks for the excellent example post highlighting this.
What knee jerk reaction is that then? An observation I made about how you appear to be struggling to differentiate between two apparently separate groups? Lighten up...thelawnet1 said:
Some people are a bit thick.
Observation tells us that a Toyota Avensis probably has an Asian minicab driver inside, a chavved up ageing hatchback a young white male, an Audi Q7 a white mother, etc.
And a stag do with supercars, Pakistani males.
Now we would have a go at the Audi Q7 driver, when she tries to run someone down with her car http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/13837908.Guilty_...
probably making note of her choice of car, children, etc.
And we do the same here.
And for the record, yes, these were British Asian Muslims. A few minutes scratching around Facebook confirms this.
That article is pigeon-hole gold. Dizzy young mum in white Q7 and autistic cyclist.Observation tells us that a Toyota Avensis probably has an Asian minicab driver inside, a chavved up ageing hatchback a young white male, an Audi Q7 a white mother, etc.
And a stag do with supercars, Pakistani males.
Now we would have a go at the Audi Q7 driver, when she tries to run someone down with her car http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/13837908.Guilty_...
probably making note of her choice of car, children, etc.
And we do the same here.
And for the record, yes, these were British Asian Muslims. A few minutes scratching around Facebook confirms this.
I can just imagine the scene unfolding.
Gareth the 35 year old autistic office worker was cycling from his elderly mothers house where he resides, to his workplace, wearing his favourite high-vis vest and several different helmet cams perfectly placed to capture the ensuing carnage and social altercations as he steadily cycles down the middle of a very busy commuter route at walking pace.
Meanwhile Adele, the 30 something blonde ex-beauty technician (now a stay at home yummy mummy) was on the way back from the morning school run, hurriedly applying her make-up while obliviously piloting her 3 tonne land barge towards a militant cyclist.
It does seem to be a disproportional amount of young (or older) asian men that have high speed crashes in hire cars, at least in reported cases. Is it a cultural thing to show off?
I know these aren't all hire cars, but why is it always in Manchester or that part of the world?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-32...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237033/Dr... (DM - know I know)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478535/Ca... (again DM)
I can't see how it's racist to point out that certain demographics have a higher likelihood of carrying out a certain crime - it doesn't seem to be racist to suggest that Catholic priests do like a young boy or two, or the fact a
might try and rob an old dear by doing her drive without asking.
English people seem quite competent in killing themselves or others in stty cars, so don't need to go to the expense of hiring something fast and pricey.
I know these aren't all hire cars, but why is it always in Manchester or that part of the world?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-32...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237033/Dr... (DM - know I know)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478535/Ca... (again DM)
I can't see how it's racist to point out that certain demographics have a higher likelihood of carrying out a certain crime - it doesn't seem to be racist to suggest that Catholic priests do like a young boy or two, or the fact a
might try and rob an old dear by doing her drive without asking.English people seem quite competent in killing themselves or others in s
tty cars, so don't need to go to the expense of hiring something fast and pricey.Edited by Janesy B on Tuesday 13th October 19:46
Skylinecrazy said:
Jesus Christ people really do overreact these days 
Without trying to sound 'racist' I would have jumped to the same conclusion, and I'm sure many others would too..
I'd be willing to bet a whole 50 pence that the posters complaining about others jumping to conclusions also thought the same thing but decided to take their tall horse for a gallop anyway...Without trying to sound 'racist' I would have jumped to the same conclusion, and I'm sure many others would too..
J4CKO said:
As a white bloke I dont mind when other groups point out stuff we collectively tend to do, we all have traits and I dont assume when someone from another group says something that its racist ?
I was in Holland one time & there was a strange situation involving a queue. My friend commented "You're English, you know about queuing- what do we do?". The hundred other Dutch people present then looked to me for guidance; once I'd spoken it was taken as gospel.It's a stereotype- maybe it exists for a reason, I don't know.
What I do know is that there was no need for me to be offended over a perceived trait.
This thread is ridiculous! It's caused mayhem because someone made a comment that it is most likely to a certain ethnic group to which it has turned out to be the case and then you get all you lot jumping on the well you must be racist band wagon!
I read an article in the news the other day that a kid surfing in Australia was attacked by something which they believed was a shark. People assume it must be a great white shark does this means humans are racist towards sharks as well?.
I read an article in the news the other day that a kid surfing in Australia was attacked by something which they believed was a shark. People assume it must be a great white shark does this means humans are racist towards sharks as well?.
DanielSan said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Jesus Christ people really do overreact these days
Without trying to sound 'racist' I would have jumped to the same conclusion, and I'm sure many others would too..
I'd be willing to bet a whole 50 pence that the posters complaining about others jumping to conclusions also thought the same thing but decided to take their tall horse for a gallop anyway...Without trying to sound 'racist' I would have jumped to the same conclusion, and I'm sure many others would too..
Rovinghawk said:
J4CKO said:
As a white bloke I dont mind when other groups point out stuff we collectively tend to do, we all have traits and I dont assume when someone from another group says something that its racist ?
I was in Holland one time & there was a strange situation involving a queue. My friend commented "You're English, you know about queuing- what do we do?". The hundred other Dutch people present then looked to me for guidance; once I'd spoken it was taken as gospel.It's a stereotype- maybe it exists for a reason, I don't know.
What I do know is that there was no need for me to be offended over a perceived trait.
The Young Asian guys in rented supercars has become "a thing", a common thread, if mentioned as a pattern has been noted then fair enough, but it does end up sometimes that anything anyone Asian does may end up as a prelude to racist rant, a godsend for those wanting to peddle their own agenda rather than any concern about the potential for accidents.
paulwoof said:
Would it be in poor form to have a guess at the ethnicity of the people involved?
^^ Second post in this thread and this person is sitting back watching it all unfold. Did he reply afterwards? I'll just light this fire and run away....My take for what it's worth, is there enough evidence for someone for one to make the *assumption* that Asian people are involved. Convoy of cars, night before wedding, area etc etc. I don't blame anyone for making this assumption, I myself would draw the same conclusion. Of course it could be completely wrong, but you can see how/why someone would make this judgement.
What I don't understand or see the need for is why 'Paulwoof' has to bring the ethnicity of the people involved into it. Why? What's the relevance? The only logical reason is to entice the conversation that followed.
Would ''Paulwoof' make his comments in front of a bunch of Asian people? Of course not, but behind the safety of his own keyboard, yeah why not.
Edited by msport123 on Tuesday 13th October 23:22
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