Supercar stag do vs Police
Discussion
harry. said:
So stags do where guys go out and get pissed (abroad and here), have fights and piss/puke in the middle of towns are different how?
They are different because one involves super cars and one doesn't. It doesn't make it any better or worse..just different.If the story was about a stag party having a fight in Heathrow airport after returning from magaluf. Most people would probably assume it was a bunch of white chavs..of course that would not be racist..
Ozzie Osmond said:
1. An unpleasant incident has taken place involving bad driving in fast cars.
2. There is no indication as yet about the ethnicity of the people involved.
3. You assume they must be Asian.
There could be no clearer example of outright bigoted racism.
Actually it's assumption based on experience.2. There is no indication as yet about the ethnicity of the people involved.
3. You assume they must be Asian.
There could be no clearer example of outright bigoted racism.
I find that the majority of corner shops are run by people who came from Pakistan hence I find it perfectly reasonable to assume that the next corner shop I go into is likely to be run by a person from Pakistan.
Similarly the police found that the majority of crime carried out in towns was by non white males. They consequently targeted that group for stop and search. When questioned about this being Racist the Police stated that as little old ladies didn't generally commit crime it seemed pointless searching them - however if there was a granny crime wave then they would.
Equally if you see a group of supercars in a town centre - my experience has been that all the drivers are non white males, who can't drive.
doogz said:
Oh then, where was that 'suggested' as you put it?
It wasn't explicitly suggested. It's the perception I took from some of the posts.You seem to misunderstand me though - I haven't even said anything in criticism. I've only mused about the undertones of a couple of posts on this thread.
daddy cool said:
Not sure whats worse... that the Police have the time/money/resource to update t
tter, or the fact that what they write is incomprehensible gibberish, or that they refer to one of their own vehicles as a "cop car". What next - will they start calling themselves "the feds"?
"Stag do goes horribly wrong. Groom for wedding today + 5 arrested after fight 1am turns into pursuit of Audi R8 + Lambo with cop car rammed"
Surely that should be a "1am fight", not a "fight 1am"?
It isn’t actually incomprehensible gibberish and it’s not difficult to understand. 140 characters isn't a lot to play with. tter, or the fact that what they write is incomprehensible gibberish, or that they refer to one of their own vehicles as a "cop car". What next - will they start calling themselves "the feds"?"Stag do goes horribly wrong. Groom for wedding today + 5 arrested after fight 1am turns into pursuit of Audi R8 + Lambo with cop car rammed"
Surely that should be a "1am fight", not a "fight 1am"?
V8RX7 said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
1. An unpleasant incident has taken place involving bad driving in fast cars.
2. There is no indication as yet about the ethnicity of the people involved.
3. You assume they must be Asian.
There could be no clearer example of outright bigoted racism.
Actually it's assumption based on experience.2. There is no indication as yet about the ethnicity of the people involved.
3. You assume they must be Asian.
There could be no clearer example of outright bigoted racism.
I find that the majority of corner shops are run by people who came from Pakistan hence I find it perfectly reasonable to assume that the next corner shop I go into is likely to be run by a person from Pakistan.
Similarly the police found that the majority of crime carried out in towns was by non white males. They consequently targeted that group for stop and search. When questioned about this being Racist the Police stated that as little old ladies didn't generally commit crime it seemed pointless searching them - however if there was a granny crime wave then they would.
Equally if you see a group of supercars in a town centre - my experience has been that all the drivers are non white males, who can't drive.
The actual fact that there are more Female Hyenas and Lemurs, does not make the statement 'you are more likely to see a female one' a sexist comment.
Its just a fact, based on statistics and probability - nothing more.
There is a balance to be struck here, if there is a genuine problem, then that needs to be tackled delicately at the source it is occurring.
I worked for the Police for ten years and a fairly high up copper said that people regard us all as racist and that is not the case, we arrest those who have broken the law and in his experience all ethnicities break the law, just tends to be in different ways and went on to explain the work he had done on different units/initiatives tackling Fraud, Street robbery and vehicle crime. He was on street robbery at the time and the mug shot gallery showed that 90 percent were from one group and ten percent another.
The reasons are usually cultural as mentioned, White British blokes go out and get so drunk they usually forget their own name, have a fight and piss their pants whilst tied to a lampost or fall off a balcony in Ayia-Napa, or am I being racist about British blokes ? driving anything is generally not an option so it does follow that it probably isn't White British blokes, not because they are blameless and beyond reproach, it just isn't their Modus Operandi.
As someone (amongst others) who nearly got splattered one summer evening crossing Bury New Road after going to see the Stone Roses by some idiots in supercars, I think it may well be a problem that needs addressing, and there is little point educating or targetting elderly Chinese ladies who live in the Derbyshire hills is there ?
I worked for the Police for ten years and a fairly high up copper said that people regard us all as racist and that is not the case, we arrest those who have broken the law and in his experience all ethnicities break the law, just tends to be in different ways and went on to explain the work he had done on different units/initiatives tackling Fraud, Street robbery and vehicle crime. He was on street robbery at the time and the mug shot gallery showed that 90 percent were from one group and ten percent another.
The reasons are usually cultural as mentioned, White British blokes go out and get so drunk they usually forget their own name, have a fight and piss their pants whilst tied to a lampost or fall off a balcony in Ayia-Napa, or am I being racist about British blokes ? driving anything is generally not an option so it does follow that it probably isn't White British blokes, not because they are blameless and beyond reproach, it just isn't their Modus Operandi.
As someone (amongst others) who nearly got splattered one summer evening crossing Bury New Road after going to see the Stone Roses by some idiots in supercars, I think it may well be a problem that needs addressing, and there is little point educating or targetting elderly Chinese ladies who live in the Derbyshire hills is there ?
If I were to see a cluster of supercars being driven erratically in Birmingham I would be very surprised if the drivers were anything other than young Asian males, that said if I saw a young Asian male walking down the road in Birmingham I wouldn't instantly presume he was about the hop into a hired supercar and drive like a nutcase. Just because you have a preconception about one thing doesn't mean that you would allow it to cloud your judgment of other situations involving people of the same race. Providing you have a basic level of intelligence.
Having said that some people or just racist and should be pitied.
Having said that some people or just racist and should be pitied.
doogz said:
From which posts?!
This isn't difficult. You think it's been suggested/insinuated/whatever.
I'm just asking where, because I haven't seen it.
If you're interested, I will explain myself.This isn't difficult. You think it's been suggested/insinuated/whatever.
I'm just asking where, because I haven't seen it.
The undertones that I perceived were the fact that despite there being no mention of race in the article and the important thing being that the incident occurred, some people thought it was necessary, helpful or useful to discuss the possible race of the people involved.
I simply felt that the fact that those posters thought that this was pertinent and important suggested to me that those posters had some kind of prejudice or preoccupation with race (otherwise it wouldn't have seemed relevant to them to discuss it).
Have I been clearer now?
Skylinecrazy said:
Jesus Christ people really do overreact these days 
Without trying to sound 'racist' I would have jumped to the same conclusion, and I'm sure many others would too..
The thing is though that the conclusion is irrelevant. I thought about the incident rather than the appearance of the people involved.Without trying to sound 'racist' I would have jumped to the same conclusion, and I'm sure many others would too..
I must stress though that I'm not actually too bothered and not at all offended. I've already posted too much on this bloody topic as it is!
It's not like me to be or seem professionally offended on the behalf of others. I shouldn't have got involved.
There seems to be the actual issue at hand in any debate like this and then those using it a springboard to launch into how much they hate <insert minority here> and at the other end there are those wanting to claim the moral high ground and put people in their place regardless of whether there was any racist intent in what they were saying.
My wife goes mental if I or the kids do any accents that are not white, I have been in trouble for a poor Welsh accent once as she swore blind it was Pakistani I was doing, why would Welsh be ok if Pakistani isnt, they do British accents on "Goodness Gracious Me" and every American who does a British Accent turns into Dick Van Dyke, am I offended, no I am not, I think if we shared a bit more humour then we would perhaps integrate better.
Purely mentioning "Asians" does not immediately mean you are being racist, in this case, regardless of ethnic origin, its overexcited young male showoffs in rented fast cars making a nuisance of themselves.
My wife goes mental if I or the kids do any accents that are not white, I have been in trouble for a poor Welsh accent once as she swore blind it was Pakistani I was doing, why would Welsh be ok if Pakistani isnt, they do British accents on "Goodness Gracious Me" and every American who does a British Accent turns into Dick Van Dyke, am I offended, no I am not, I think if we shared a bit more humour then we would perhaps integrate better.
Purely mentioning "Asians" does not immediately mean you are being racist, in this case, regardless of ethnic origin, its overexcited young male showoffs in rented fast cars making a nuisance of themselves.
doogz said:
Yes, thank you.
It's not how I read it, I thought perhaps you were going to cite a certain post/poster. I haven't jumped to the conclusion that people speculating over the race of those in question are instantly racist, as others appear to have done.
There are a couple of posts I have in mind specifically but I'm deliberately not quoting them as I don't want to single anyone out and it's also possible that I'm misunderstanding someone to a degree.It's not how I read it, I thought perhaps you were going to cite a certain post/poster. I haven't jumped to the conclusion that people speculating over the race of those in question are instantly racist, as others appear to have done.
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