RE: Cadillac ATS-V: Driven
Discussion
I drive a 2008 Cadillac SLS and it does not have seatbelts attached to the seat (which seemed to not be issue for the Mercedes R129 SL or the BMW E31 8 series); or a rotary dial for the sunroof or below average build quality. Admittedly, it was made in China and in a dedicated factory but the interior quality is excellent and holds it's own against the usual suspects.
Here in Dubai, there are lots of the CTS-V's (in both coupe and sedan form) and very very popular. They go like absolute stink, sounds amazing and look very menacing on the road. They are also excellent value for money.
Someone earlier posted about Cadillac moving away from the barges of old - I think they have found a very good niche for people who want a performance car that is a little 'different'.
I've driven an XLR and it was underwhelming - have not yet seen a XLR-V but then again, we are talking a car from over a decade ago and trying (at that time) to take on the R230 Mercedes SL was an uphill battle. Would they stand a chance today with a performance convertible? I think so - and probably would draw customers away from the F-Type and the current SL.
Whack the supercharged CTS-V engine in a Cadillac Cien body and pitch it at R8 price levels and I would be selling body parts. Stunning car, stunning engine and they would definitely be parking it out the front of the Dorchester :-)
Here in Dubai, there are lots of the CTS-V's (in both coupe and sedan form) and very very popular. They go like absolute stink, sounds amazing and look very menacing on the road. They are also excellent value for money.
Someone earlier posted about Cadillac moving away from the barges of old - I think they have found a very good niche for people who want a performance car that is a little 'different'.
I've driven an XLR and it was underwhelming - have not yet seen a XLR-V but then again, we are talking a car from over a decade ago and trying (at that time) to take on the R230 Mercedes SL was an uphill battle. Would they stand a chance today with a performance convertible? I think so - and probably would draw customers away from the F-Type and the current SL.
Whack the supercharged CTS-V engine in a Cadillac Cien body and pitch it at R8 price levels and I would be selling body parts. Stunning car, stunning engine and they would definitely be parking it out the front of the Dorchester :-)
I drive a 2008 Cadillac SLS and it does not have seatbelts attached to the seat (which seemed to not be issue for the Mercedes R129 SL or the BMW E31 8 series); or a rotary dial for the sunroof or below average build quality. Admittedly, it was made in China and in a dedicated factory but the interior quality is excellent and holds it's own against the usual suspects.
Here in Dubai, there are lots of the CTS-V's (in both coupe and sedan form) and very very popular. They go like absolute stink, sounds amazing and look very menacing on the road. They are also excellent value for money.
Someone earlier posted about Cadillac moving away from the barges of old - I think they have found a very good niche for people who want a performance car that is a little 'different'.
I've driven an XLR and it was underwhelming - have not yet seen a XLR-V but then again, we are talking a car from over a decade ago and trying (at that time) to take on the R230 Mercedes SL was an uphill battle. Would they stand a chance today with a performance convertible? I think so - and probably would draw customers away from the F-Type and the current SL.
Whack the supercharged CTS-V engine in a Cadillac Cien body and pitch it at R8 price levels and I would be selling body parts. Stunning car, stunning engine and they would definitely be parking it out the front of the Dorchester :-)
Here in Dubai, there are lots of the CTS-V's (in both coupe and sedan form) and very very popular. They go like absolute stink, sounds amazing and look very menacing on the road. They are also excellent value for money.
Someone earlier posted about Cadillac moving away from the barges of old - I think they have found a very good niche for people who want a performance car that is a little 'different'.
I've driven an XLR and it was underwhelming - have not yet seen a XLR-V but then again, we are talking a car from over a decade ago and trying (at that time) to take on the R230 Mercedes SL was an uphill battle. Would they stand a chance today with a performance convertible? I think so - and probably would draw customers away from the F-Type and the current SL.
Whack the supercharged CTS-V engine in a Cadillac Cien body and pitch it at R8 price levels and I would be selling body parts. Stunning car, stunning engine and they would definitely be parking it out the front of the Dorchester :-)
XB70 said:
Here in Dubai, there are lots of the CTS-V's (in both coupe and sedan form) and very very popular. They go like absolute stink, sounds amazing and look very menacing on the road. They are also excellent value for money.
I suppose the motoring worlds of America and Dubai are somewhat analogous in respect of the fact that they've both got cheap petrol and few corners (although naturally Dubai doesn't have the lovely scenery of America). American cars designed to waft would suit well there, but it's interesting to see that more buyers in America are demanding better handling - although I don't fall into the trap of believing all American cars handle like donkey carts.Ugly as hell, but so is the M3. The chassis is very good, the drivetrain less so, from what I've seen and read.
It's a shame it uses a rough V6 rather than GM's excellent 4.2 litre DOHC all-alloy straight six, which found an uninspiring home in the GMC Envoy.
This car is also a complete misfit for the Cadillac brand, which needs to be chasing Mercedes-Benz and Bentley. This is a Pontiac in all but name.
It's a shame it uses a rough V6 rather than GM's excellent 4.2 litre DOHC all-alloy straight six, which found an uninspiring home in the GMC Envoy.
This car is also a complete misfit for the Cadillac brand, which needs to be chasing Mercedes-Benz and Bentley. This is a Pontiac in all but name.
Baryonyx said:
I suppose the motoring worlds of America and Dubai are somewhat analogous in respect of the fact that they've both got cheap petrol and few corners (although naturally Dubai doesn't have the lovely scenery of America). American cars designed to waft would suit well there, but it's interesting to see that more buyers in America are demanding better handling - although I don't fall into the trap of believing all American cars handle like donkey carts.
If the ATS-V uses MRC suspension (I suspect it does) then the ability to corner, like other MRC equipped sports sedans from Cadillac, will be extremely surprising to a lot of people. The Delphi originated MRC technology also happens to be used in those notoriously badly handling cars from Modena and Ingolstadt:-)
mikEsprit said:
pirategaz said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
0-60 in 3.8 sound ambitious to anyone else?
Was thinking the same thing... 3.8 to 60 seems little unbelievable America all over...Plus am i the only that thinks it looks dated in its styling just screams 90s to me!
I'm all for thinking out of the box and love to stand out from the crowd but this over an M3 or M4??? Youd have to be mental.... Or American possibly the same thing!
It matters to the pink shirt wearing, spikey hairstyle guy with lumberjack beard.
griffsomething said:
This whole thing about 'soft touch' dashboards etc - does it really, really, matter? Yes, the things you touch (gearknob, door handles, steering wheel) should be nice, but maybe I'm the weird one when I can honestly say, I really don't spend much time touching and assessing the softness of the materials in any of my cars!
unsprung said:
Reminds me of this sort of blinkered thinking.Baryonyx said:
Don't think I haven't driven in America and seen a few nice corners, I have. But in terms of the whole of the US, I've read plenty of 'biker stories' of guys in Texas, Iowa or wherever actually having to travel to find an interesting road to ride. Deal's Gap, Mulholland Drive and Skyline Drive are far from the norm. Not that this has anything to do with the car. And as I say, Dubai is even worse! America has a reputation for boring roads that is undeserved, though I can see why wafty land yachts still do well there. I certainly wouldn't want to tour the country in a 106 Rallye.
Fair enough. And the 106? A veritable luxury on the open road, compared to the Polski Fiat 126. 
mikEsprit said:
pirategaz said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
0-60 in 3.8 sound ambitious to anyone else?
Was thinking the same thing... 3.8 to 60 seems little unbelievable America all over...Plus am i the only that thinks it looks dated in its styling just screams 90s to me!
I'm all for thinking out of the box and love to stand out from the crowd but this over an M3 or M4??? Youd have to be mental.... Or American possibly the same thing!
pirategaz said:
Was thinking the same thing... 3.8 to 60 seems little unbelievable America all over...
Plus am i the only that thinks it looks dated in its styling just screams 90s to me!
I'm all for thinking out of the box and love to stand out from the crowd but this over an M3 or M4??? Youd have to be mental.... Or American possibly the same thing!
It's the germans who are in the business of lying about their car's stats. Plus am i the only that thinks it looks dated in its styling just screams 90s to me!
I'm all for thinking out of the box and love to stand out from the crowd but this over an M3 or M4??? Youd have to be mental.... Or American possibly the same thing!
M3DGE said:
It's irrelevant how good the car is. GM have made such a backside of trying to sell Caddys in Europe, and especially the UK where costs are higher because of RHD, I think it is highly unlikely they will try again. Chevrolet was pulled at huge upfront cost because it could not achieve volume - so why would they have another go at Cadillac?
Nice to see the brand revival in the US though, and this will go down very well in China.
Vauxhall VXR6? since Holden won't be using V8s in future.Nice to see the brand revival in the US though, and this will go down very well in China.
unsprung said:
- the miles per UK gallon are 19 city / 29 highway / and 23 combined cycle
These are UK equivalents of US data which appear at the link in my preceding post. On the first page of this thread.
You can't count.These are UK equivalents of US data which appear at the link in my preceding post. On the first page of this thread.
The figures on your link are 17.6/24.2/20.1 US mpg.
Apply a correct conversion (US gallon is 4/5ths the size of a UK gallon) and the answers are
22 city / 30 highway / and 25 combined. Pretty impressive.
Ozzie Osmond said:
unsprung said:
- the miles per UK gallon are 19 city / 29 highway / and 23 combined cycle
These are UK equivalents of US data which appear at the link in my preceding post. On the first page of this thread.
You can't count.These are UK equivalents of US data which appear at the link in my preceding post. On the first page of this thread.
The figures on your link are 17.6/24.2/20.1 US mpg.
Apply a correct conversion (US gallon is 4/5ths the size of a UK gallon) and the answers are
22 city / 30 highway / and 25 combined. Pretty impressive.
The figures I provided are based on the US federal government (EPA) rating system for miles per gallon. Motor Trend lists these figures for all three cars in the their test. They are comparable across all vehicles sold in the US.
Conversely, the figures you cite are simply what Motor Trend observed during the course of their testing -- hardly an approximation of real-world driving. Moreover, Motor Trend provides no MPG figures for their testing of the BMW.
Why would you cite incomplete and non-comparable figures? You're not only wrong, your choice of words is rude.
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