UK Head of Tesla.... Impressive
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ewenm said:
otolith said:
Walking, cycling, public transport, hiring a car when absolutely needed.
Not my agenda, but something I can see coming about within cities.
Good ideas. Vote-losers.Not my agenda, but something I can see coming about within cities.
Mave said:
Had a lift to the airport the other day by a colleague with a Tesla. Journey was about an hour, he drove it pretty enthusiastically including quite a few full bore accelerations just to show off. That was in the evening, he had already commuted in the morning, was going to drive another hour or so back to the office, hadn't charged in the day, and wasn't at all worried about getting home. It may not have been a 200 mile blast, but I suspect the number of people who come home on a Friday night wanting to go on a non-stop 3-4 hour blast is quite limited.
We chatted a bit about how he had done a road trip down to Rome, he has an app on his sat nav to suggest charging stops, he felt it was fine fitting in supercharging around coffee / loo stops.
But I was talking about a car that costs £25k not £80k there is no cheap high performing long ranged ev car a leaf is not a long range big performance cheap ev for the masses car We chatted a bit about how he had done a road trip down to Rome, he has an app on his sat nav to suggest charging stops, he felt it was fine fitting in supercharging around coffee / loo stops.
loose cannon said:
DonkeyApple said:
I suspect that if you share a house with 5 other punters then you probably have slightly more important priorities in life than buying a nice new car. 
It is also not the normal way most people outside of Hounslow live. [/quote
Oh dear lol try camberley so we're do you live donkey apple in a gated palace, a 3 bed council house, a flat
A luxury apartment ? So what exactly is your point ? By the way my friends all have company cars that live in that house
The point is very simple. If you live the lifestyle where you are renting a room in a house then why would you be concerning yourself as to where to park your £80k EV? It is also not the normal way most people outside of Hounslow live. [/quote
Oh dear lol try camberley so we're do you live donkey apple in a gated palace, a 3 bed council house, a flat
A luxury apartment ? So what exactly is your point ? By the way my friends all have company cars that live in that house
You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
I don't know, you were the one who used the word "mainstream".
And no, the Model-S is not a mainstream car any more than the S-class or A8 is. However, it is rather more mainstream than a Ferrari - by the middle of next year Tesla will have sold as many model-Ss as Ferrari have road cars in their entire history.
And no, the Model-S is not a mainstream car any more than the S-class or A8 is. However, it is rather more mainstream than a Ferrari - by the middle of next year Tesla will have sold as many model-Ss as Ferrari have road cars in their entire history.
A Tesla would be perfect for me really. I live <20 miles from my current office (in Canary Wharf), and drive in every day. There is a Tesla charge point in the car park where I keep the car, so theoretically I could save £22/day in parking and have free fuel!
However, I currently make the journey in a £2,000, 120k mile Audi Allroad diesel, so swapping that for a £90k Tesla would have some relatively high up-front costs
However, I currently make the journey in a £2,000, 120k mile Audi Allroad diesel, so swapping that for a £90k Tesla would have some relatively high up-front costs
ewenm said:
otolith said:
Eventually, I think we will see roadside charging points in areas without off-street parking; that's if the practice of dumping cars on urban streets is allowed to continue at all.
I'd be interested in what you think the alternative is, especially given the planning regs that seem to discourage adequate off-street parking in new builds.DonkeyApple said:
The point is very simple. If you live the lifestyle where you are renting a room in a house then why would you be concerning yourself as to where to park your £80k EV?
You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
No you couldn't wait to tell everyone how you thought I was a peasant and how you were more superior ! You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
Why the Hounslow quote then ?
Point of this topic was were is the reasonably priced car with ice range performance and freedom the bottom line is there isn't one currently untI'll there is then most people won't get one
RobM77 said:
kambites said:
RobM77 said:
It's easy to see why, as the range is advertised as 250-odd miles, so all you'd need would be a charging point at home and preferably as work and that's most commuting and customer visits etc sorted. The problem is that it's only most... what do you do if you have a round trip of greater than that without a guaranteed charging point?.. Then there's the small matter of the cost of them - don't they start at around £50k?!
Very few people where I work use their company cars for business use. It's just a perk. The problem is that it's only most... what do you do if you have a round trip of greater than that without a guaranteed charging point?.. Then there's the small matter of the cost of them - don't they start at around £50k?!), imagine if you were visiting relatives who also had a charging point? Instant doubling of range to go and see them for the day. I assume that it's the fear of being stuck with no charge that stops most people buying an EV.But for some, the ability to drive 350/400 miles and over without stopping will rule an EV out. For now.
yonex said:
Ares said:
Heard the UK Head of Tesla speak last night (having driven 250miles up from London in an 85D, totally free of cost and not set off fully charged).
Impressive guy and an impressive car as well as business model.
His middle of the range Model S hits 60 in 4 secs, the slightly hotter version does it in 2.8 secs.
But the free to use, supercharging network was something I didn't realise existed. Full charge in 20 mins and totally free to use/charge. True zero-cost motoring. The case for EVs gets stronger.
Impressive guy?Impressive guy and an impressive car as well as business model.
His middle of the range Model S hits 60 in 4 secs, the slightly hotter version does it in 2.8 secs.
But the free to use, supercharging network was something I didn't realise existed. Full charge in 20 mins and totally free to use/charge. True zero-cost motoring. The case for EVs gets stronger.
Yes totally free of cost, save for the £100,000 needed to buy one, tyres etc. Other than that absolutely free
And free to run, not to buy. And the £100k is a fully loaded, top of the range model. They start under £60k. For that you *only* get a 5-second 0-60.
I can't think of many big luxury cars that are actually better value like-for-like?
walm said:
RobM77 said:
The elephant in the room is of course where the electricity comes from. On that note, does anyone know the true CO2 output of a Tesla, if charged in the UK? Genuine question; I've no idea if it's 1g/km or 200!
16g per kWh for nuclear.300kw batteries which get you about 3 miles/kwh.
So 16g gets you 3 miles.
So roughly 5g/mile 3.3g/km.
The worst is coal at 900g/kWh so you need to multiply the above by c.50.
The average for the UK is I think 460g/kwh so roughly 100g/km.
Obviously the govt is trying to get more lower carbon power into the grid so that should improve.
98elise said:
kambites said:
98elise said:
7kWh of electrical energy is used in the creation of a gallon of fuel.
To be fair, that 7kWh also produces a whole load of other stuff from the other fractions of the oil. 
called Gary can drive his wky TDi stbox three miles down the road each day? 
loose cannon said:
Point of this topic was "where is the reasonably priced car with ice range performance and freedom"
I think from reading this that this is now your topicFrom what I have read the topic started about the head of Tesla UK, and fast became a series of examples of a) (the few) situations that the current EV can't deal with and then
b) (the many) situations that show that EVs can fill those scenarios subject to your approach, depth of pocket to buy one and whether you like the current offerings.
Clearly at this stage the quality level and amount of EVs are worse/fewer than ICE cars. I mean durr!
It's like me complaining that there isn't a Hydrogen powered Porsche Cayman within my current price budget ffs.
kambites said:
loose cannon said:
and they don't currently work for the masses
That is where I think you're simply wrong. They very much do work for a large proportion of the masses. The only thing stopping them from taking huge market share is the price. To offer a counter to your examples, of the people I know well enough to actually know, I do not know a single person who couldn't easily manage with only an EV and only one or two for whom it would be a significant inconvenience. At the rate things are going, I'm confident that 50% of the cars in the work car park will not have an ICE connected to the wheels within ten years.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 11:27
Costs, like for like, the EV in Tesla's case is arguably CHEAPER than its competitors. That becomes the benchmark. Wait until Model-3 arrives, if they can replicate that economic case at £25k, it will be in reach for a hell of a lot of people.
kambites said:
AyBee said:
Ares said:
No, their supercharger network (23 sites in the UK, 300+ worldwide) is free to use. Free. As in no cost, for the lifetime of the car. And a full charge in 20mins.
Excellent - the UK is 243,610km² in area and there are 23 sites, we'll all be driving EVs in no time 
Compare that to c.8,500 petrol stations...Ares said:
Even bigger thing stopping them is ignorance and prejudice.
On PH perhaps, but I think that's less of an issue with the public as a whole. But then the public as a whole don't generally buy the Tesla or its competitors; they buy (or rather rent) a diesel Ford Focus or 3-series. That's the market the Model-3 needs to tap into if Musk is going to get the revolution he appears to be after. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff