UK Head of Tesla.... Impressive
Discussion
loose cannon said:
It's not shocking at all it's what I have been banging on about lol
They don't currently work for me and they don't currently work for the masses
On a tight ship, as I have stated previous show me one that does what people require at a cheap price point, there isn't any
As of yet until that day I'm out
What do you class as a cheap price point? our leaf was £2500 down (or our old car and £1600) and then £190 a month, I class that as fairly cheap for a car the size of a Golf. Or how about a 2nd hand one for about £10k?They don't currently work for me and they don't currently work for the masses
On a tight ship, as I have stated previous show me one that does what people require at a cheap price point, there isn't any
As of yet until that day I'm out
loose cannon said:
As I stated my m8 shares a house with 5 people they all have different jobs and drive different locations
2 cars sit on the drive the rest sit on the road were are the charge point s
I suspect that if you share a house with 5 other punters then you probably have slightly more important priorities in life than buying a nice new car. 2 cars sit on the drive the rest sit on the road were are the charge point s
It is also not the normal way most people outside of Hounslow live.
Ares said:
No, their supercharger network (23 sites in the UK, 300+ worldwide) is free to use. Free. As in no cost, for the lifetime of the car.
It will be interesting to see if that situation remains unchanged when the UK Gov Tax electricity used for road transport. Remember the actual fuel for a typical ICE car to move 300miles only "costs" about a tenner!
RobM77 said:
kambites said:
RobM77 said:
On a brighter note, I am seeing more and more Teslas as time goes by. I hadn't seen any this time last year, but I'm starting to spot about one a week now.
They're becoming pretty popular at work; there's a good five or something in the car park now, presumably all on the BIK company car scheme.
The problem is that it's only most... what do you do if you have a round trip of greater than that without a guaranteed charging point?.. Then there's the small matter of the cost of them - don't they start at around £50k?!But a smart meter at home, free supercharging ones on main arteries and you're covered. The supercharging ones are designed to counter your range-fears of doing a greater round trip.
As for the cost, look at the size and performance. What car actually can compete and come in cheaper? Now factor in the running costs, BIK and zero tax.
Like it or not, it's suddenly a compelling argument....hence why the Frankfurt motor show, the worlds biggest petrolhead show, was filled with EVs taking the headlines!
KarlMac said:
When your as rich as Elon Musk it seems a sensible plan. Build a loss leader in the premium market (low numbers to minimise the loss), once your brand is firmly established as something other than a passing fad (remember Fisker?) you can sell a high end saloon/hatchback and get away with charging a premium.
Really like the Tesla. Seeing lots more around too.
He put his balls on the line. He may have made $9-figures from PayPal, but he sunk everything into SpaceX and Tesla. At one point he was days away from going bankrupt and had to borrow money to make payroll.Really like the Tesla. Seeing lots more around too.
kambites said:
RobM77 said:
And incidentally, surely loose cannon's point is only relevant for a drive of much over 200 miles? Unlike with a petrol or diesel car, with a Tesla your home is effectively the filling station, so in his example you'd come home, plug the car in and wake up with another 250 miles showing on the range?....and if you've nowhere to park it, how do you manage with a current car.
Granted, some very low cost houses may have a parking space half a mile away, but they're not really target market for a £60k Exec saloon
Ares said:
Only the lucky have electricity at home? Where do you live...????
Oh, I have a nice double garage to keep both cars warm and dry and, if they were electric, charged (although admittedly it's currently full of bits of wood which are slowly turning into fitted wardrobes). A significant proportion of the UK's population park on the public road, though. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 11:47
Ares said:
RobM77 said:
kambites said:
RobM77 said:
On a brighter note, I am seeing more and more Teslas as time goes by. I hadn't seen any this time last year, but I'm starting to spot about one a week now.
They're becoming pretty popular at work; there's a good five or something in the car park now, presumably all on the BIK company car scheme. The problem is that it's only most... what do you do if you have a round trip of greater than that without a guaranteed charging point?.. Then there's the small matter of the cost of them - don't they start at around £50k?!But a smart meter at home, free supercharging ones on main arteries and you're covered. The supercharging ones are designed to counter your range-fears of doing a greater round trip.
As for the cost, look at the size and performance. What car actually can compete and come in cheaper? Now factor in the running costs, BIK and zero tax.
Like it or not, it's suddenly a compelling argument....hence why the Frankfurt motor show, the worlds biggest petrolhead show, was filled with EVs taking the headlines!
As I said before, if the place you're going to (work, a friend's house, car park etc) has a charging point, then it effectively doubles your 'range' (i.e. maximum round trip distance), so I suspect a tipping point will be reached in the future. This is obviously country dependent, and I think I read that in Oslo, 11% of car sales are EVs - they certainly are very common there.
I'd be looking at an EV as a second vehicle if I did ever buy one, as I assume that towing and high drag usage with my boards on the roof will drastically reduce the range (and I often need more than the Tesla's 250 miles for those things), but it could well be the case for me that an EV for commuting and a van or even just a normal diesel estate for recreation would be cheaper to run than having one car for both as I do now.
Guvernator said:
kambites said:
I don't believe that will ever happen, personally.
How do you think they will make up the loss from tax on petrol\diesel then?It's easier than trying to tax what device is using what electricity. Regardless of the car running on volts instead of petrol it is still a big, tangible box that is easy to tax every time it moves and to also tax it when it isn't moving.
Taxing cars of any type won't ever be an issue and taxes will only ever go up and tax subsidies will only ever be used to get people to shift into situations where they can be taxed for more.
I think some on here a vastly overestimating the amount of people who have access to a power point (240v domestic or supercharger) within a suitable distance from where they park their car. Domiciles with a driveway are in the minority especially within the confines of a city - surely the EV car's natural hunting ground? And don't rely on workplaces being ready made charging stations. Even now there are regulations and subsequent costs that actively discourage workers using their cars to commute.
It's not the mindest that needs to change, it's the infrastructure and that's the bit which will cost the money. Money that will need to be recouped. You early adopters enjoy your "free" electricity while it's still free at point of use. Chances are if this fad catches on, you will be telling your kids about the time you didn't need a credit card to replenish the batteries in the car.
It's not the mindest that needs to change, it's the infrastructure and that's the bit which will cost the money. Money that will need to be recouped. You early adopters enjoy your "free" electricity while it's still free at point of use. Chances are if this fad catches on, you will be telling your kids about the time you didn't need a credit card to replenish the batteries in the car.
Impasse said:
Domiciles with a driveway are in the minority
It's hard to get solid data, but reading between the lines of the last census I'm fairly certain that isn't true. It probably is true in large cities, but probably not across the UK as a whole. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 12:02
Ares said:
kambites said:
RobM77 said:
And incidentally, surely loose cannon's point is only relevant for a drive of much over 200 miles? Unlike with a petrol or diesel car, with a Tesla your home is effectively the filling station, so in his example you'd come home, plug the car in and wake up with another 250 miles showing on the range?....and if you've nowhere to park it, how do you manage with a current car.
Granted, some very low cost houses may have a parking space half a mile away, but they're not really target market for a £60k Exec saloon
Impasse said:
I think some on here a vastly overestimating the amount of people who have access to a power point (240v domestic or supercharger) within a suitable distance from where they park their car. Domiciles with a driveway are in the minority especially within the confines of a city - surely the EV car's natural hunting ground? And don't rely on workplaces being ready made charging stations. Even now there are regulations and subsequent costs that actively discourage workers using their cars to commute.
It's not the mindest that needs to change, it's the infrastructure and that's the bit which will cost the money. Money that will need to be recouped. You early adopters enjoy your "free" electricity while it's still free at point of use. Chances are if this fad catches on, you will be telling your kids about the time you didn't need a credit card to replenish the batteries in the car.
I would have thought it's worse than that - People aren't expected to use their existing 240V socket - in fact at least in the case of Tesla, charging (whilst possible from a normal socket) is much faster on a dedicated socket installed for the purpose. You're right in that the infrastructure will need to change so that we have more of these dedicated charging points in town centre parking spaces, office car parks, and industrial/military sites that business people visit. You're also right that this will cost money and whilst it's a minority thing right now, for it to become standard will require a huge investment. Ergo, it's down to governments and councils to lead on this one.It's not the mindest that needs to change, it's the infrastructure and that's the bit which will cost the money. Money that will need to be recouped. You early adopters enjoy your "free" electricity while it's still free at point of use. Chances are if this fad catches on, you will be telling your kids about the time you didn't need a credit card to replenish the batteries in the car.
Incidentally, taxes on emissions in this country are a mess anyway. According to a report I read the other day, electricity generation contributes almost double the CO2 of transport. When you consider that 'transport' in that context includes lorries and buses, you realise that the passenger car perhaps isn't so bad, or at the very least not as bad as the current levy on emissions (VED) would have you think (cf electricity taxation). As stated above, the government will no doubt have to change their thinking on this if EVs take off. Interestingly, as we recognise above, it's also primarily the government that control how fast EVs will take off...
They are hemorrhaging staff in the US to nearby Apple. A friend of mine moved over a few weeks ago, Elon is on the defensive at the moment claiming they were all sacked staff moving over but I know several of them are very highly regarded engineering staff that not so long ago they made a good song and dance about when they arrived.
Ironically given that they have been at pains to actively promote competition, they don't seem to be enjoying it right now.
Ironically given that they have been at pains to actively promote competition, they don't seem to be enjoying it right now.
[quote=DonkeyApple]
I suspect that if you share a house with 5 other punters then you probably have slightly more important priorities in life than buying a nice new car.
It is also not the normal way most people outside of Hounslow live. [/quote
Oh dear lol try camberley so we're do you live donkey apple in a gated palace, a 3 bed council house, a flat
A luxury apartment ? So what exactly is your point ? By the way my friends all have company cars that live in that house
I suspect that if you share a house with 5 other punters then you probably have slightly more important priorities in life than buying a nice new car.
It is also not the normal way most people outside of Hounslow live. [/quote
Oh dear lol try camberley so we're do you live donkey apple in a gated palace, a 3 bed council house, a flat
A luxury apartment ? So what exactly is your point ? By the way my friends all have company cars that live in that house
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