UK Head of Tesla.... Impressive
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RVVUNM said:
I was in Amsterdam last weekend and there are a lot of Tesla's being used as taxi's. Must be doing something right.
I guess the cost saving in fuel for a taxi driver must be enormous. It's been a while since I was in amsterdam but I seem to recall a lot of fairly nice Mercedes (E/S class) being used as normal side of the road taxis... so already in a similar(ish) price range to the tesla before the fuel saving comes into play.otolith said:
Eventually, I think we will see roadside charging points in areas without off-street parking; that's if the practice of dumping cars on urban streets is allowed to continue at all.
I'd be interested in what you think the alternative is, especially given the planning regs that seem to discourage adequate off-street parking in new builds.I was under the impression that planning regs positively encouraged off-street parking but builders know full well that rooms and gardens are worth more than garages and drives respectively so they do the absolute minimum possible to comply with the regs? I can't think why else every new build would have a garage too small to fit a car in. 
kambites said:
I was under the impression that planning regs positively encouraged off-street parking but builders know full well that rooms and gardens are worth more than garages and drives respectively so they do the absolute minimum possible to comply with the regs?
Keyword: Adequate. If the regs are that easy to RobM77 said:
The elephant in the room is of course where the electricity comes from. On that note, does anyone know the true CO2 output of a Tesla, if charged in the UK? Genuine question; I've no idea if it's 1g/km or 200!
7kWh of electrical energy is used in the creation of a gallon of fuel. Use that in an car and you will get about 25 miles without consuming any more energy. For an ICE car you then need to burn that fuel to get it to move.Why to people always question where the energy comes from for EV's, but assume petrol magically appears in the petrol station?
The Luddites are out in force ! at the moment we are comparing the EV infrastructure to Fossil infrastructure and in comparison, the EV infrastructure is currently similar to that for petrol was in 1895, well, apart from the fact that everyone didnt have a petrol station in their own home.
But, But, But my extension cable is only 30 feet and the cars is 32 feet away, guess what, as humans we can cope with great adversity and are very, very good at finding solutions to problems, if the IC car was banned now, would you not drive or learn how to use an EV within its operating limitations.
The shift has started to happen, it will take a long time but the EV infrastructure and cars will improve and in a few years what was once a tour de force of diesel technology, that cost 55 grand will have all the appeal and saleability of an Amstrad Emailer, and not even the colour screen one.
Fun IC cars will survive, there will be those that hang onto them as dailies like your grandad with his CRT telly or Hipsters with their record players, i.e. those too dyed in the wool or those that have to be different, at the moment its a case of price and the downsides, price will come down and the downsides will improve, plus it will become normal, at the moment its tech heads, early adopters, eco folk, collosal tightwads but we are talking about EV's almost daily on here, its happening, it took the public a while to cotton on to turbo diesels but look what happened when they did.
I look forward to it, for every howling supercar or burbling V8 there are a thousand clattering diesel Taxis at 5am or tappety four pot s
t boxes with broken exhausts, those sounds, in say twenty years will be like now, when you catch a waft of the exhaust smell from a seventies or earlier car, what was once familiar will be a nostalgic memory.
The Tesla model 3 cant come quick enough and the others need to produce something cheap enough, that doesn't look like a Noddy car, the I3 is the nearest for normal mortals to somethign that you would want to own but they are still pretty pricey, that said I was at work the other day and saw an I8 followed by an I3 into the car park.
But, But, But my extension cable is only 30 feet and the cars is 32 feet away, guess what, as humans we can cope with great adversity and are very, very good at finding solutions to problems, if the IC car was banned now, would you not drive or learn how to use an EV within its operating limitations.
The shift has started to happen, it will take a long time but the EV infrastructure and cars will improve and in a few years what was once a tour de force of diesel technology, that cost 55 grand will have all the appeal and saleability of an Amstrad Emailer, and not even the colour screen one.
Fun IC cars will survive, there will be those that hang onto them as dailies like your grandad with his CRT telly or Hipsters with their record players, i.e. those too dyed in the wool or those that have to be different, at the moment its a case of price and the downsides, price will come down and the downsides will improve, plus it will become normal, at the moment its tech heads, early adopters, eco folk, collosal tightwads but we are talking about EV's almost daily on here, its happening, it took the public a while to cotton on to turbo diesels but look what happened when they did.
I look forward to it, for every howling supercar or burbling V8 there are a thousand clattering diesel Taxis at 5am or tappety four pot s
t boxes with broken exhausts, those sounds, in say twenty years will be like now, when you catch a waft of the exhaust smell from a seventies or earlier car, what was once familiar will be a nostalgic memory.The Tesla model 3 cant come quick enough and the others need to produce something cheap enough, that doesn't look like a Noddy car, the I3 is the nearest for normal mortals to somethign that you would want to own but they are still pretty pricey, that said I was at work the other day and saw an I8 followed by an I3 into the car park.
ewenm said:
kambites said:
I was under the impression that planning regs positively encouraged off-street parking but builders know full well that rooms and gardens are worth more than garages and drives respectively so they do the absolute minimum possible to comply with the regs?
Keyword: Adequate. If the regs are that easy to Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 12:25
AyBee said:
Excellent - the UK is 243,610km² in area and there are 23 sites, we'll all be driving EVs in no time 
Compare that to c.8,500 petrol stations...
In the USA in 1900 there were 5000 or so cars, and NO petrol/gas stations; the petrol pump hadn't even been invented! Compare that to c.8,500 petrol stations...Infrastructure will take time, but it's way ahead of where we were in the early days of the ICE
kambites said:
loose cannon said:
As I stated my m8 shares a house with 5 people they all have different jobs and drive different locations
2 cars sit on the drive the rest sit on the road were are the charge point s
So, and this might be a shocking idea, many EVs aren't suitable for him? That doesn't mean they aren't suitable for the 90% of the population who live with a single familial unit per property with at most two of them working. 2 cars sit on the drive the rest sit on the road were are the charge point s
No-one has ever attempted to claim that EVs will be suitable for everyone, just that they are suitable for a huge proportion (almost certainly a majority, in fact) of people. Or at least that they would be if they weren't so expensive.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 11:18
I've just been on the MX5 forum explaining that 2 seat sports car is useless because I need a car with 4 seats and a big boot.
Yes I could a different car that suits my needs but its the principal dammit!
ewenm said:
otolith said:
Eventually, I think we will see roadside charging points in areas without off-street parking; that's if the practice of dumping cars on urban streets is allowed to continue at all.
I'd be interested in what you think the alternative is, especially given the planning regs that seem to discourage adequate off-street parking in new builds.Not my agenda, but something I can see coming about within cities.
kambites said:
Impasse said:
Domiciles with a driveway are in the minority
It's hard to get solid data, but reading between the lines of the last census I'm fairly certain that isn't true. It probably is true in large cities, but probably not across the UK as a whole. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 12:02
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Bovingdon,+Hem...
This is where I moved from in April 2015
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hemel+Hempstea...
And this is where I lived from 1996 to 2004
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hemel+Hempstea...
All three are within 35 miles of central London. Not much room for secure charging infrastructure in any of those, and as for charging at work, what about those who use the railways? The only other alternative is the supermarkets & other retail parks fitting charging points, but at £500 per space (http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2014/05/07/rmi-whats-true-cost-ev-charging-stations) & 500 - 1000 spaces per store I don't see that happening. And that's even if the local electrical infrastructure can handle it, which I doubt in most cases.
Even though I drive an E39 and an E36 I'm all for electric vehicles over hybrid or diesel / ICE, but I think they have taken the wrong refuel model as too many people will be left behind with the recharge model. Flat / urban dwellers like me need hot swop battery capability at fuel stations.
PS - to drip even more doom on this thread even if your house is big enough to park your car on your drive to securely charge, the dwelling your children will be able to afford won't be. Still at least being able to charge their car guarantees they will come and visit when you're old...
Well I'm willing to put down a fiver that in 5 years time over 75% will still be driving petrol or diesel or hybrid cars and this fabled 350 mile range £25 grand for the masses tesla that has performance all through its charge. still won't of appeared.
No inflation on the fiver I'm afraid not a rich man like donkey Apple as he keeps telling everyone, I'm just a poor chap from Hounslow Dragging my knuckles along the ground, even though I live in farnborough
I could well be wrong well have to wait and see
No inflation on the fiver I'm afraid not a rich man like donkey Apple as he keeps telling everyone, I'm just a poor chap from Hounslow Dragging my knuckles along the ground, even though I live in farnborough
I could well be wrong well have to wait and see
loose cannon said:
kambites said:
I'd be interested to see if you can find a video of the same from any of the competing ICE powered cars. It's just not something people do with a bloody great luxury saloon car.
Your missing the point I'm talking about the technology not the shape of the car, I can go out on a Friday evening drive 200 odd miles including a fair few performance blasts and still come back with over half a tank of fuel leaving me with another 150 miles range show me a electric car that can do that !!!
We chatted a bit about how he had done a road trip down to Rome, he has an app on his sat nav to suggest charging stops, he felt it was fine fitting in supercharging around coffee / loo stops.
otolith said:
Walking, cycling, public transport, hiring a car when absolutely needed.
Not my agenda, but something I can see coming about within cities.
Good ideas. Vote-losers. I walk/run/cycle/bus/train most places, but being forced not to have a car available would be frustrating. Doable, but frustrating.Not my agenda, but something I can see coming about within cities.
loose cannon said:
Well I'm willing to put down a fiver that in 5 years time over 75% will still be driving petrol or diesel or hybrid cars.
Well of course they will because the majority of cars which will be on the road in five years time are already on the road now. If even 10% of the cars on the road in the UK are pure EVs in five years time it would be absolutely astonishing. It's going to take decades for 25% of cars to be EVs. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff