RE: Ferrari 488 Spider: Driven
Discussion
RamboLambo said:
Want a supercar spider then there is only one choice - McLaren 650S spider. Once you have driven a carbon tubbed car anything else is simply inferior no matter how much stiffening they attempt.
There is zero compromise between a McLaren coupe and spider, the rigidity and build quality is simply awesome in comparison to any Ferrari.
Huracan spider sounds nice but to have a cloth roof in todays retractable hard top market place is seriously behind the times and compromises the roof up look.
McLaren 650S spider is undoubtedly the best all rounder car with carbon tub for rigidity, active aero for handling/performance and hydraulic suspension for sublime handling. Its the complete supercar unlike its seriously flawed Italian rivals
No doubt , but that Ferrari just has so much soul. Mclaren leaves me very cold.There is zero compromise between a McLaren coupe and spider, the rigidity and build quality is simply awesome in comparison to any Ferrari.
Huracan spider sounds nice but to have a cloth roof in todays retractable hard top market place is seriously behind the times and compromises the roof up look.
McLaren 650S spider is undoubtedly the best all rounder car with carbon tub for rigidity, active aero for handling/performance and hydraulic suspension for sublime handling. Its the complete supercar unlike its seriously flawed Italian rivals
mwstewart said:
Author must have a short memory: the 360 and F430 Spiders were nearly indistinguishable from their Berlinetta counterparts, hence praised as such and selling in greater numbers than models before.
The floppy 458 Spider went back on the development of the prior platform, so I'm slightly suspicious of the 488 spider model due to it being based on the compromised (for a Spider) 458.
lolThe floppy 458 Spider went back on the development of the prior platform, so I'm slightly suspicious of the 488 spider model due to it being based on the compromised (for a Spider) 458.
Having not driven either, and therefore risking being totally wrong, if I were in the market for such a beast I'd be lodging my money with the men in Woking, even if the Mclaren has less soul/flare.
It'd be bright green too, so people can rightly judge me as being the t
t I really am. Gimme gimme gimme! 
It'd be bright green too, so people can rightly judge me as being the t
t I really am. Gimme gimme gimme! MitchT said:
ecs0set said:
The suggestion at the top of the article is that PHers prioritise driving dynamics above all else and would never consider a convertible over the hardtop version as a result. That seems a little disrespectful to the diversity of PHers. Perhaps PH Towers should spend a little more time sampling wind-in-the-hair motoring to appreciate that sometimes, sacrifices are appropriate?
I agree. PHers love a good exhaust note and you can hear it so much better from the cockpit of an open car. As far as driving dynamics are concerned ... How often do you get to drive at the extreme where the tiny margin of variance in driving dynamics between the hard top and convertible come into play anyway?Try a V8 TVR wedge with the roof down through a tunnel....................
Jimbo
I don't like it.
The headlights are spaced too far apart, and the vents in the rear wings detract from the looks. But the roof/window line are at least much nicer than the coupe, which really is a pig. As was the 458.
I was fortunate enough to watch an F430 Scuderia having some fun at the weekend, and the magic of that great Ferrari seems to have been lost.
The headlights are spaced too far apart, and the vents in the rear wings detract from the looks. But the roof/window line are at least much nicer than the coupe, which really is a pig. As was the 458.
I was fortunate enough to watch an F430 Scuderia having some fun at the weekend, and the magic of that great Ferrari seems to have been lost.
RamboLambo said:
Want a supercar spider then there is only one choice - McLaren 650S spider. Once you have driven a carbon tubbed car anything else is simply inferior no matter how much stiffening they attempt.
There is zero compromise between a McLaren coupe and spider, the rigidity and build quality is simply awesome in comparison to any Ferrari.
Huracan spider sounds nice but to have a cloth roof in todays retractable hard top market place is seriously behind the times and compromises the roof up look.
McLaren 650S spider is undoubtedly the best all rounder car with carbon tub for rigidity, active aero for handling/performance and hydraulic suspension for sublime handling. Its the complete supercar unlike its seriously flawed Italian rivals
You're like a fThere is zero compromise between a McLaren coupe and spider, the rigidity and build quality is simply awesome in comparison to any Ferrari.
Huracan spider sounds nice but to have a cloth roof in todays retractable hard top market place is seriously behind the times and compromises the roof up look.
McLaren 650S spider is undoubtedly the best all rounder car with carbon tub for rigidity, active aero for handling/performance and hydraulic suspension for sublime handling. Its the complete supercar unlike its seriously flawed Italian rivals
king broken record mate, seriously.JMF894 said:
MitchT said:
ecs0set said:
The suggestion at the top of the article is that PHers prioritise driving dynamics above all else and would never consider a convertible over the hardtop version as a result. That seems a little disrespectful to the diversity of PHers. Perhaps PH Towers should spend a little more time sampling wind-in-the-hair motoring to appreciate that sometimes, sacrifices are appropriate?
I agree. PHers love a good exhaust note and you can hear it so much better from the cockpit of an open car. As far as driving dynamics are concerned ... How often do you get to drive at the extreme where the tiny margin of variance in driving dynamics between the hard top and convertible come into play anyway?Try a V8 TVR wedge with the roof down through a tunnel....................
Jimbo
Matt
Fast Ray said:
Will be very interesting to see it up against a 650s spider McLaren. I think the 650s will be quicker.
Yes of course the McLaren will be faster unless its one of the "doctored" Ferrari press cars.Its just like the suspension - all the pics and press cars are lowered but the "real" customer cars come through on stilts they sit that high.
j_s14a said:
I don't like it.
The headlights are spaced too far apart, and the vents in the rear wings detract from the looks. But the roof/window line are at least much nicer than the coupe, which really is a pig. As was the 458.
I was fortunate enough to watch an F430 Scuderia having some fun at the weekend, and the magic of that great Ferrari seems to have been lost.
Overall I like the looks more so than 458. The rear end is tidier and more cohesive and I like the rear wing air intakes. I'm not so sure about the gapping big front bumper or the abrupt ending of the rear retractable roof panel which seems to disturb the flow of the roofline more than the McLaren approach to the rear quarter window panelThe headlights are spaced too far apart, and the vents in the rear wings detract from the looks. But the roof/window line are at least much nicer than the coupe, which really is a pig. As was the 458.
I was fortunate enough to watch an F430 Scuderia having some fun at the weekend, and the magic of that great Ferrari seems to have been lost.
RamboLambo said:
Yes of course the McLaren will be faster unless its one of the "doctored" Ferrari press cars.
Its just like the suspension - all the pics and press cars are lowered but the "real" customer cars come through on stilts they sit that high.
Wow, talking about hating...anything else Ferrari is sIts just like the suspension - all the pics and press cars are lowered but the "real" customer cars come through on stilts they sit that high.
t at? The 458 owned the McLaren from the start...it'll be the same here.I think this looks stunning and I'm glad to hear someone at least is making a turbocharged engine that can rev to 8000rpm again and likes doing it too. So many modern turbo's are so disappointing at the top end of their usually low rev range.
Shame it sounds a bit muted though, no reason why a turbocharged engine can't sound good either, just listen to an RB26 screaming to it's 8000rpm redline for proof, nape prickling indeed.
Shame it sounds a bit muted though, no reason why a turbocharged engine can't sound good either, just listen to an RB26 screaming to it's 8000rpm redline for proof, nape prickling indeed.
mwstewart said:
Author must have a short memory: the 360 and F430 Spiders were nearly indistinguishable from their Berlinetta counterparts, hence praised as such and selling in greater numbers than models before.
The floppy 458 Spider went back on the development of the prior platform, so I'm slightly suspicious of the 488 spider model due to it being based on the compromised (for a Spider) 458.
I always thought that from 360/430 onwards, the spider was almost as rigid as the hard top, so the argument about soft tops really falls away for mere mortals. Why was the 458 compromised btw? The floppy 458 Spider went back on the development of the prior platform, so I'm slightly suspicious of the 488 spider model due to it being based on the compromised (for a Spider) 458.
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