RE: McLaren 570S - the numbers

[graeme4130]

Also, what about the 'couldn't afford a proper McLaren' situation
Much like people in Boxters get branded (not by me, I might add) that they couldn't afford a proper porsche, and just want to brand name to pose in

[PompeyM3]

I really like the look of this. Was lucky enough to see one in the flesh at Wilton House and looked lovely.

I will watch used prices in the years to come with interest.

[Chris Stott]

Whatever the manufacturers performance claims are, the Porsche will end up the fastest... in a straight line and round a circuit.

[Vee12V]

Truckosaurus said:

I can't help but feel that McLaren might be shooting themselves in the foot by have a range that is so similar, both stylistically and mechanically.

But then again people seem happy to pay a fortune for specific 911 models that the man on the street couldn't tell apart from the cooking models.

Porsche (and many others) use a clear strategy of releasing the cheapest/slowest model first so that they can later release more expensive, faster and better looking versions of the same car. McLaren is doing it the other way around. Makes little sense. Especially considering the steep depreciation on every model bar the P1.

[LotusOmega375D]

smithyithy said:

LotusOmega375D said:

There's a couple of candidates for the crappy number plates thread up there.

Which??

Y321MCL? Why 321 McLaren indeed?

R29MCL?? R29WTF more like.

Couldn't they have found something more interesting like MCL570S? That's bound to be on an old biddy's Talbot Horizon somewhere!

[Henry Fiddleton]

I'm not buying it until I see the The Ring lap time relative to the others.

[smilo996]

"All use seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearboxes but in putting that power to the road the Porsche again dazzles with its complexity, its four-wheel drive system boasting variable torque distribution and an active rear locking differential with full torque vectoring. It's also got that four-wheel steering, variable PASM dampers, PDCC active anti-roll bars, ceramic brakes, centre-lock wheels, variable vane turbos, active engine mounts and three-stage variable aero as standard"

That is good for a thoroughbred sports car is it?

Quite surprised that PH did not mention 4 seats on the 911 being the killer differentiator.

The 650S is 200kgs lighter than the 911, better looking, better interior, more modern, just as fast in the real world, and on occasion faster, more exclusive, more focused, less complex, 2wd and not needing to be 4WD, almost unique in the world of proper sports cars. However this is just not important because the 911 dazzles with it's complexity.

Technical tour de force but real sports cars are 2 wheel drive not four and if it needs all those gizmos and behind the scenes electronics then the basic package cannot be that amazing can it.

McLaren everytime. 540, 570 or 675LT.

Cannot wait to see McLaren make the next gen with a smaller sports car to wipe the Cayman and Boxtar.

[Zod]

Chris Stott said:

Whatever the manufacturers performance claims are, the Porsche will end up the fastest... in a straight line and round a circuit.

I bet you're a Porsche owner.

[Checks garage]

Yes, you are!

[Ozzie Osmond]

Henry Fiddleton said:

I'm not buying it until I see the The Ring lap time relative to the others.

I never understand the mystical significance of Ring lap times. Seems to me they are of little/no relevance in real-world car ownership.

So far as I'm concerned a mid-engined McLaren for £126k looks an absolute bargain. People spend that money on a tarted-up 911.

[AyBee]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

The 911, as ubiquitous as it is, still scores points for have small rear seats. The ability to make the car fit in with "family life" is still its ultimate selling point I'm afraid.

If I wanted a 2 seater, the McLaren would win all day every day, love the looks and it's got decent performance (I'm not bothered about half seconds or odd miles per hour here or there at this level), if I had a child with little legs, the Porsche would be getting the nod. Looking forward to seeing if and whether McLaren ever enters the 4-seater market.

[Steve12NG]

I'm not sure if it's just the pictures in the article, or the colour combo (which looks great on a 650), but that looks pretty damn ugly to my eyes.

The previous pics looked pretty good, but if that's what it really looks like? No thanks.

Looks kind of kit-carish.

[Chris Stott]

Zod said:

Chris Stott said:

Whatever the manufacturers performance claims are, the Porsche will end up the fastest... in a straight line and round a circuit.

I bet you're a Porsche owner.

[Checks garage]

Yes, you are!

I am indeed... though of a pretty much irrelevant level compared to the cars being discussed here!

I posted the above in relation to 'the numbers' in the articles title... if I was choosing which one to buy, I'd take Mclaren over the other 2.

[Crusoe]

USP for the other models was the great ride comfort from the fully independent hydraulic suspension making them great daily drivers and work well on broken British roads. Be interesting to see how the lesser (more fun) models compare on the road.

[Gandahar]

Chris Stott said:

Zod said:

Chris Stott said:

Whatever the manufacturers performance claims are, the Porsche will end up the fastest... in a straight line and round a circuit.

I bet you're a Porsche owner.

[Checks garage]

Yes, you are!

I am indeed... though of a pretty much irrelevant level compared to the cars being discussed here!

I posted the above in relation to 'the numbers' in the articles title... if I was choosing which one to buy, I'd take Mclaren over the other 2.

The problem is going really fast and around a circuit will be 1% whilst being a fanny magnet whilst bumbling around will be 80%

The Mclaren looks like a supercar whilst the Porsche looks like something you see everyday.....

[stephen300o]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Henry Fiddleton said:

I'm not buying it until I see the The Ring lap time relative to the others.

I never understand the mystical significance of Ring lap times. Seems to me they are of little/no relevance in real-world car ownership.

So far as I'm concerned a mid-engined McLaren for £126k looks an absolute bargain. People spend that money on a tarted-up 911.

I think he was joking, hard to tell in print and isolation..
But I'm sure this car will do ok, may even win, but then how many are racing.

[bertie]

Absolute no brainer, McLaren every time surely!

[mikey k]

anonymous said:

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I took delivery of a 650S spider beginning of the month, rather than paying list price and waiting for a 570S
In "normal" suspension and "track" power train it is far from mundane and suits our st B roads perfectly
Off to Scotland in it over the weekend, I'll enjoy the relaxed cruise up the M6/M74, then I'll flick it in to the setting above and blast off round the highlands.
I'm glad I paid a little extra to go for a 650S

[mikey k]

anonymous said:

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actually a very common reaction to a first drive (I was the same)
They are a bit of a slow burner, you need to get one on a back lane you know and get on it to really understand it.
As you say on A roads and generally getting about they ride like a limo
(the 540/570 won't be the same as it has no hydraulic anti roll)
For me that makes it a perfect GT/fast tourer for our Euro Hoons

[mikey k]

we can't all be the same!

[teapea]

I really hope this car is a success