RE: McLaren 570S - the numbers

[PhantomPH]

D200 said:

PhantomPH said:

The only thing I took from that article, was that the BMW M6 is now north of £100k!!! WTF??? Everything else just became a blur after that...

You truly are a complete idiot if this was all you took from the article. Of the whole article there are 5 words foolishly mentioning the M6 as a possible contender - 'a specced up BMW M6'

You should read the rest of the article if your vision has returned.

I just checked and the list of an M6 is 92k, silly expensive but they offer massive discounts on them an you would get a fullly specced one for 80k. Still very expensive but a similarly specced McLaren 540 will be over 150, i.e., near twice the price. I would not say the M6 is a competitor to this car.

One is a 4/5 seater luxury super fast tourer, the other 2 seat supercar costing near twice as much.

You could also spec say an Audi A8 diesel to well over 100k but it wouldn’t be a competitor.

If you aren’t an idiot you would realise it main competitors are what they has listed in main article - i.e. 911 Turbo, R8 but I think the Merc GT S would be its main and toughest competitor

It would be a very tough choice between them but I think I’d go for the merc

Edited by D200 on Thursday 15th October 13:06

Edited to delete original post: I have a sense of humour and the above poster doesn't. Doesn't give me the right to trade insults.

Edited by PhantomPH on Thursday 15th October 16:14

[ManFromDelmonte]

My bet is that the McLaren will beat all it's published figures in the real world.

It's also the one I would take all day long.

[Guvernator]

Well out of that list, I'd probably choose.....None of the above.

Am I the only one who thinks modern supercars are getting further and further away from what I want in a supercar?

[sealtt]

Looks like a proper junior supercar, no styling surprises but does the job perfectly. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fine car to drive, though can't comment myself as obviously I have driven it.

Can't believe anyone would buy a new R8 over one of these! R8 looks so old & frumpy now, needs a proper design refresh not that little mini facelift - which I think has actually done more harm than good.

Porsche obviously stands out as being the ultimate practical option and I think they keep on modernising and refining the design nicely, and in my opinion the new ones are still fantastic drivers cars. I actually prefer the 991 C4S as a drivers car to the Ferrari F430. Though of course the 458 Italia is another world of driving pleasure.

If you want a brand new car that will turn heads in any town centre, looks the part, has superb performance and a proper supercar badge - I can't see you doing better than the McLaren for the money. Pending a drive in one, I think they have done a bloody good job.

[Streetrod]

A 570s is on my list of must own soon cars having spent a great deal of time with one at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. If feels and look special in real life and has real presence. The interior is a great place to sit with everything falling to hand and a perfect driving position. The new R8 also has a great interior but is a little PlayStation and garish in comparison.

If it’s on the road performance match’s then McLaren is on to a winner. It’s a car that you have to see in the flesh to fully appreciate. Here are a couple of pics I took

Edited by Streetrod on Thursday 15th October 15:47

[sealtt]

That grey one looks fantastic! Good colour for it, no need to go all lambo with the orange in my opinion. Keep it classy!

Do you have any pics of the interior? Would be nice to see.

[sealtt]

anonymous said:

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I personally think the 458 is a brilliant drivers car, I had fantastic time in it around Castle Coombe - and that wasn't even the Speciale.

I don't know what you are looking for, but if you just want a car that is really fun & enjoyable to blast around the track, the 458 is a modern supercar that definitely delivers.

[Henry Fiddleton]

stephen300o said:

I think he was joking, hard to tell in print and isolation..
But I'm sure this car will do ok, may even win, but then how many are racing.

Yup. Looks mega. Well done Mclaren.

Now sort out the F1 team and all is well!

[Guvernator]

anonymous said:

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Funny you should mention those cars, I think the CGT was the last supercar I truly desired. I love the the attention to engineering given by Mclaren but as a complete product, their new crop of cars just leave me a bit cold. Supercar development for me seemed to hit it's peak about 6-7 years ago, with the odd exception it's been pretty much downhill for me since. Key ingredients for me are manual, hi-revving big capacity NA and not too many driver aids\modes\gizmos. Can you even buy anything like this from the usual supercar suspects these days?

[Streetrod]

Guvernator said:

anonymous said:

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Funny you should mention those cars, I think the CGT was the last supercar I truly desired. I love the the attention to engineering given by Mclaren but as a complete product, their new crop of cars just leave me a bit cold. Supercar development for me seemed to hit it's peak about 6-7 years ago, with the odd exception it's been pretty much downhill for me since. Key ingredients for me are manual, hi-revving big capacity NA and not too many driver aids\modes\gizmos. Can you even buy anything like this from the usual supercar suspects these days?

Legislation is killing these types of cars I am afraid

[D200]

PhantomPH said:

Well, I like to lick windows and throw pies in my own face.

Thank you for your humourless input, you end of a bell.

You are welcome.

God only knows what or who else you lick but as long you are not near young or venerable people when doing this then each to their own, I care not.

And as long as you realise your input is completely pointless and irrelevant, like yourself, you wan of a ker

[PhantomPH]

D200 said:

PhantomPH said:

Well, I like to lick windows and throw pies in my own face.

Thank you for your humourless input, you end of a bell.

You are welcome.

God only knows what or who else you lick but as long you are not near young or venerable people when doing this then each to their own, I care not.

And as long as you realise your input is completely pointless and irrelevant, like yourself, you wan of a ker

I love lamp

[Dan Trent]

Guvernator said:

anonymous said:

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Funny you should mention those cars, I think the CGT was the last supercar I truly desired. I love the the attention to engineering given by Mclaren but as a complete product, their new crop of cars just leave me a bit cold. Supercar development for me seemed to hit it's peak about 6-7 years ago, with the odd exception it's been pretty much downhill for me since. Key ingredients for me are manual, hi-revving big capacity NA and not too many driver aids\modes\gizmos. Can you even buy anything like this from the usual supercar suspects these days?

I agree with much of this but there is hope - see the 675LT and GT3 RS for cars that deliver on the 'proper' scale and major on feedback and reward for driver ability. OK, neither manual but I sense some are waking up to the fact 'hardcore' can still be accommodated even within the modern era gizmos and still give something back whether you're at 'fast road' pace or maximum attack.

There's a Tell Me I'm Wrong brewing on this subject but all is not (quite) lost.

Dan

[Burnham]

sealtt said:

That grey one looks fantastic! Good colour for it, no need to go all lambo with the orange in my opinion. Keep it classy!

Do you have any pics of the interior? Would be nice to see.

I agree, that's a cracking looking car - that would be my colour choice too.

Nice that McLaren are offering a choice of models now...its taken a few years and the ugly ducking of the MP4-12C to kick start it, but they now seem to be a genuine alternative to the Germans and Italians (and sole Japanese entry).

[sad61t]

Keeping it British, and factoring price out of the equation...

Having never driven either, how would a 350C compare to a Lotus Exige S? Both 2-seater, mid-engine Vs, tenacious grip with 0-60 in 3.5/3.8s respectively so similar performance ball-park and (from the article) both have a pared-down approach to driver interaction.

[Vee12V]

anonymous said:

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Couldn't agree more.

[Dan Trent]

anonymous said:

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It's not more exciting or engaging than a 997 and we're in agreement on that. And if you offered me the keys to one or other I'd take the older one, ta. I think we have similar tastes!

Am just looking at NEW cars currently in the market (yes, I know RS and LT are both sold out effectively!) and picking out a couple that pleasantly surprised me with the level of feedback and interaction at vaguely sensible speeds compared with most of the other stuff out there. And I think it's down to confidence in their builders to engineer in more feedback than is typical in this day and age. The LT in particular - I drove it first on track and then across Wales in variable wet/dry conditions and roads from B- to A- width and was really surprised how much I enjoyed it even at sensible speeds. Obviously it is mentally rapid. But also enjoyable at a pace that represents a fraction of its actual ability. That to me is clever and deserving of praise - after experiencing it at track pace I expected it to be underwhelming at civilian speeds.

Anyway. Must keep my powder dry for the pending review/Tell Me I'm Wrong!

To be continued!

Dan

[shigs]

Now I don't expect anyone here to agree with my analogy, but this is what I think of when I look at the 570S / 540S

Full Fat (650s / 12C)



Cheap version without the special grip lol (570s / 540s)



Lol now when I was growing up playing football, you didnt want to be seen dead in the 570S mercurials

Just my 2p lol

[jackal]

In the midst of these really lacklustre designs the mp4 really is ageing well to my eyes. The two tone 570 i saw at the festival of speed was possibly the dullest looking supercar at the whole of goodwood that weekend. Not for me thanks. An R8 on the other hand is still a unique styling triumph and the 991t will always be the best out and out car and you'll get at least double the usage out of it too. The more you use cars, the more meaning they have.

[kainedog]

So they are all 4 wheel drive and bloody quick , I'd take the mclaren purely due to the fact it's stunning to look at ,the same as I wouldn't go out with an ugly bird cos she was good in the sack but I'm shallow