RE: NEDC mpg tests don't lie: Tell Me I'm Wrong
Discussion
TooMany2cvs said:
TheInsanity1234 said:
AC must be switched on, and the cars tested must be representative of the average specification theoretically as sold. (i.e, if a spare wheel is an optional extra, as is AC, they must be fitted to the car tested)
Now that would give you fairly accurate real-world figures, for the UK at least.
Tests can be adjusted in different countries to take into account the environmental differences
You do know it's a single European standard figure, right?Now that would give you fairly accurate real-world figures, for the UK at least.
Tests can be adjusted in different countries to take into account the environmental differences
TooMany2cvs said:
TheInsanity1234 said:
Also, do CO2 tests and NOx tests on the cars while they're being tested.
Just like now?heebeegeetee said:
Bladedancer said:
No it doesn't. The fact someone is driving poorly does not mean they will have an accident. Why would it?
Because a crash is usually a fairly good indication that somebody was driving badly.Bladedancer said:
If you don't know what I'm talking about let me list it for you:
1) Lights. People in UK have NO idea how to use lights on their car. Indicators? What's that? Driving on fog lights, parking lights on no lights at all in the dark is common (like 6am today).
2) Tailgating - so common I've become indifferent to it.
3) Blocking intersections. This one is driving me up the wall. People will block your way across an intersection and think nothing of it. No consideration for their fellow road users.
4) Cutting corners and keeping in lane. 1st one common, the other appears to be a dying art. Like just this morning. Car in front of me started on the left lane (there are 3), got onto the roundabout, cut 2 lanes getting to the right one, then left the roundabout on the middle lane. What kind of driving is that?
5) Non economical driving. People in UK don't drive at their own pace. They have to tailgate. Say I'm doing 70 on M-way and I'll pull into slower lane. 4 times out of 5 person behind me will speed up, get to tailgating range of the car in front and slam the brakes. WHAT IS THE POINT?
6) Racing. There's s person doing 35 in 40 zone and I can drive behind him all day and he'll keep 35. If I overtake him he will speed up to 40 just to be spiteful.
7) As I call them perma-speed types. They will do 40 in 30 zone. They will also do 40 in 60 zone.
8) The "I just realized I need this exit" type. That's the person who despite seeing all the markers and signs describing what the next Mway exit is, only realized that (s)he needs it 200 yards before the exit itself. And cuts 4 lanes of M25 in heavy traffic. While breaking from 80. Lovely.
9) Lastly - not knowing who has priority. Many times people forced priority on me, especially on roundabouts, and seem oblivious to the fact they did that.
All of this and probably a few other things I've forgotten makes me say driving standards in UK are poor.
They do all of that everywhere else you know, but much worse and that's why their accident rates are often much worse. Using the link posted above I see the Belgians are just about precisely twice as bad as we are, for no apparent reason such as climate or terrain etc. 1) Lights. People in UK have NO idea how to use lights on their car. Indicators? What's that? Driving on fog lights, parking lights on no lights at all in the dark is common (like 6am today).
2) Tailgating - so common I've become indifferent to it.
3) Blocking intersections. This one is driving me up the wall. People will block your way across an intersection and think nothing of it. No consideration for their fellow road users.
4) Cutting corners and keeping in lane. 1st one common, the other appears to be a dying art. Like just this morning. Car in front of me started on the left lane (there are 3), got onto the roundabout, cut 2 lanes getting to the right one, then left the roundabout on the middle lane. What kind of driving is that?
5) Non economical driving. People in UK don't drive at their own pace. They have to tailgate. Say I'm doing 70 on M-way and I'll pull into slower lane. 4 times out of 5 person behind me will speed up, get to tailgating range of the car in front and slam the brakes. WHAT IS THE POINT?
6) Racing. There's s person doing 35 in 40 zone and I can drive behind him all day and he'll keep 35. If I overtake him he will speed up to 40 just to be spiteful.
7) As I call them perma-speed types. They will do 40 in 30 zone. They will also do 40 in 60 zone.
8) The "I just realized I need this exit" type. That's the person who despite seeing all the markers and signs describing what the next Mway exit is, only realized that (s)he needs it 200 yards before the exit itself. And cuts 4 lanes of M25 in heavy traffic. While breaking from 80. Lovely.
9) Lastly - not knowing who has priority. Many times people forced priority on me, especially on roundabouts, and seem oblivious to the fact they did that.
All of this and probably a few other things I've forgotten makes me say driving standards in UK are poor.
Pardon me, but your claim is just b
ks.And you forget that not all countries have roads as good as UK and M-way network as extensive as UK.
It's funny you've mentioned the Belgians. I've spent some time in Belgium and I can say their driving is waaaay better than here in UK. Actually, In my opinion UK is ahead of France and Italy but behind quite a few other countries, including Germany, Holland, Belgium and even places you like to rip off like Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland.
When I moved to UK many years ago I was shocked how poor the driving standard here were. And no, they don't "do all of that everywhere else". I do assume you don't have extensive driving experience in EVERY country in the world to make that claim anyways. Regardless, I can tell you when I came here, many of the points above were brand new to me and I consider them quintessentially British.
But don't let me burst your bubble.
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