RE: Chevrolet Camaro: Driven
Discussion
PGNCerbera said:
there are a pair of white ones near me - coupe and a convertible. Both look bloated and a bit daft. And the interior leaves a lot to be desired.
It's a shame as they could be really cool cars.
this, on the other hand, makes me ache with want....
This is just great. But massive money I suspect.It's a shame as they could be really cool cars.
this, on the other hand, makes me ache with want....
Edited by PGNCerbera on Tuesday 27th October 14:39
Fartgalen said:
lostkiwi said:
Erm.... I quite like the looks (runs off and hides...)
Me too. The side on view looks pretty much like the old car, but the front and rear are definitely updates. Particularly the front.big_rob_sydney said:
Its funny that they talk about weight savings, and then you look at the weight NOW.
Still a fat little f
ker. Or, maybe not so little...
And another things. Why is such a lardarse so st in the back seat department? What, do they need more metal or something?
Very, very compromised.
Compared to what?Still a fat little f
ker. Or, maybe not so little...And another things. Why is such a lardarse so s
t in the back seat department? What, do they need more metal or something?Very, very compromised.
The M4 with manual weighs in at 3,530 pounds, the 6.2 litre Camaro SS with its full fat 455 hp/455 lb-ft 6.2 litre V8 at 3,685 lbs (manual), the 335hp V6 is 3435lbs.
These tend to be bigger cars too.
As for the rear seats, Chevy used to get two good sized bunks in the rear of the 4th gen and still had room in the boot for the T-tops. I think the problem now is thay seem to make the boot bigger, to take golf clubs and the rear seat room suffers. Blame the Mustang "bliueprint" for that. My 2005 has smaller rear seats then my 98 Camaro did.
300bhp/ton said:
But you can't, comparing US prices converted to sterling is pointless.
The V6 costs 25k.... that's the reality.
Because believe it or not, most people in America get paid in USD$ at a US wage rate. They don't funnily enough get paid in £ sterling, then allowed to convert it.
Are you saying that Britons enjoy higher wages than their US cousins? And / or that UK households are able to purchase more with their wages than the folks on the other side of the Atlantic?The V6 costs 25k.... that's the reality.
Because believe it or not, most people in America get paid in USD$ at a US wage rate. They don't funnily enough get paid in £ sterling, then allowed to convert it.
lostkiwi said:
Erm.... I quite like the looks (runs off and hides...)
Always a few responses about the design being inappropriate or embarrassing. On the order of, "How perfectly ghastly."It's ironic, given TVR, the Juke, flamboyant MINIs, lime-green McLarens, the exaggerated proportions of the One-77, etc. -- all extroverted UK creations.
Next thing you know, people will be apologising when it's not their fault.
unsprung said:
Are you saying that Britons enjoy higher wages than their US cousins? And / or that UK households are able to purchase more with their wages than the folks on the other side of the Atlantic?
I'm saying its relative. ie
If you earn £30k a year here it doesn't mean the same role in the US would pay $45k
Conversely if you earn $30k in the US that doesn't mean the same job would be £19k here.
So in relative terms, the V6 Camaro is not a 16k car to US citizens. It's a 24k car.
I ended up with a Camaro V6 convertible as a rental on a trip from San Francisco to Sonoma County in September. I had hired a Mustang, but Enterprise couldn't supply. Anyway, my point is, I actually quite liked it. Not fast, or dynamic, but just a really nice car. Good-looking ( in my opinion), comfortable, well-equipped and a reasonable steer, I loved my short time with it. This new one looks to improve on a good base, so I'm happy to declare myself a fan!
dme123 said:
It looks like the visibility alone would make this thoroughly unenjoyable in the UK on anything other than big open A roads. City driving with lane changes and merges would be a real chore. I confidently predict that this will once again only be seen in the UK being driven by the wannabe Americans and various neckbeards desperate to substitute novelty for personality. 
so by that logic people who drive German cars want to wear Ledderhosen, those who drive Japanese cars have a hankering to be Yakuza, those who like Italian cars are wannabe racers - those who like English cars of a certain era are happy with sub-standard products MrB. said:
I ended up with a Camaro V6 convertible as a rental on a trip from San Francisco to Sonoma County in September. I had hired a Mustang, but Enterprise couldn't supply. Anyway, my point is, I actually quite liked it. Not fast, or dynamic, but just a really nice car. Good-looking ( in my opinion), comfortable, well-equipped and a reasonable steer, I loved my short time with it. This new one looks to improve on a good base, so I'm happy to declare myself a fan!
What sort of cars do you drive to then be able to claim the V6 Camaro is slow???0-60mph in 5.7 sec
1/4 mile in 14.3 sec @ 98mph
The vert might be a bit slower. But it's quicker than anything BMW this side of a 335i.
I can weigh in on the relative value for money debate here as a British expat having made the move to the U.S. I got paid slightly more for doing an identical job in Wisconsin that I was doing in Oxford. Traded from an Alfa Giulietta 1.4 Multiair to a 5.0 GT Premium Mustang for basically the same money. I would have had a Camaro but GM won't deal with expats through the program I used, Ford and Chrysler were options though.
When I got my Mustang I was gobsmacked at how much grunt I could get for no money, but the cost cutting is evident throughout the interior although it has all worked faultlessly. The oily bits were quite crude aside from the engine which like the LS3 is astonishing and what I think I really paid for and get a huge thrill from everyday. As soon as I started driving the car, everything clicked and I realised a live rear axle means nothing when the roads are pitted and just straight. Just listening to the burble and point to point lights action is what these cars are all about.
I am seriously tempted by the new Camaro, although Chrysler is upping the ante on the Challenger with the Scat Pack edition which is 485bhp for similar money (probably less given it's ossified design). Only catches to remember with American cars are:
1. All prices are ex tax. Tax where I am is around 6%
2. Delivery and prep is usually an extra fee added to the sticker price (700 bucks or so).
Otherwise they are good deals and petrol is about 48p for a litre of super unleaded so about 22 quid to fill mine, registration (road tax is 75 dollars a year) and they tend to go on for years and years.
When I got my Mustang I was gobsmacked at how much grunt I could get for no money, but the cost cutting is evident throughout the interior although it has all worked faultlessly. The oily bits were quite crude aside from the engine which like the LS3 is astonishing and what I think I really paid for and get a huge thrill from everyday. As soon as I started driving the car, everything clicked and I realised a live rear axle means nothing when the roads are pitted and just straight. Just listening to the burble and point to point lights action is what these cars are all about.
I am seriously tempted by the new Camaro, although Chrysler is upping the ante on the Challenger with the Scat Pack edition which is 485bhp for similar money (probably less given it's ossified design). Only catches to remember with American cars are:
1. All prices are ex tax. Tax where I am is around 6%
2. Delivery and prep is usually an extra fee added to the sticker price (700 bucks or so).
Otherwise they are good deals and petrol is about 48p for a litre of super unleaded so about 22 quid to fill mine, registration (road tax is 75 dollars a year) and they tend to go on for years and years.
Great value car, especially in USA. Like so many others.
I lived here in California for 2 years and spend 8-10 weeks a year or so here, mainly in and around the car/bike/surf scene.
One thing you notice is that McDonalds or KFC workers often turn up in a Mustang V8! Not too often you'll see that in UK. Many spend £3000 on an old 'stang or Camaro and the 46 pence per litre fuel makes it possible.
The new Corvette with 460 bhp and 460 lb ft is £32,000 new here. The price of a well-speccd Honda CRV FGS!
I lived here in California for 2 years and spend 8-10 weeks a year or so here, mainly in and around the car/bike/surf scene.
One thing you notice is that McDonalds or KFC workers often turn up in a Mustang V8! Not too often you'll see that in UK. Many spend £3000 on an old 'stang or Camaro and the 46 pence per litre fuel makes it possible.
The new Corvette with 460 bhp and 460 lb ft is £32,000 new here. The price of a well-speccd Honda CRV FGS!
PanzerCommander said:
TREMAiNE said:
Its ridiculous that the base V6 is £16,000! How is it even possible to be that cheap! A Golf R starts at twice that!
I know it costs more to actually get one on the road in the UK, but you get my point.
The difference in living costs and taxes between the UK and the US.I know it costs more to actually get one on the road in the UK, but you get my point.
VW also charge a premium for their cars being a VW, they are overpriced imho - no matter how good they supposedly are.
VAT (sales tax) is 8% here, where we pay 20%, fuel 46 pence per litre, where we pay £1.20, road tax under £100 a year, parking is pretty much free everywhere apart from a few prime locations, where i have to pay £14 to park at my local train station and £5 at the theatre, motel rooms are often £15 a night, etc.
Cars are absurdly cheaper for some reason. Americans think that 46 pence a litre is an outrage, when it was 25 pence relatively recently. They cannot believe we paid £1.50 a litre a while back and will again soon no doubt.
Edited by CorvetteConvert on Wednesday 28th October 06:04
Edited by CorvetteConvert on Wednesday 28th October 06:05
300bhp/ton said:
PistonHeads said:
But compared to the utter dynamic incompetence that marked Camaros not that long ago it feels like a proper revelation.
Why must you ruin an otherwise ok article with such utter bullst?Older USA V8s offered different thrills to modern ones.
Only relatively recently have cars like the Camaro and Mustang and Corvette been given the handling and brakes and interior to bother the Germans and Jaguar.
I had a new-ish Camaro IROC-Z and when it came out it was the new king, but in reality it was a soggy, slow and ponderous beast, shown it's ass big time by anything European at the time.
Recently, say from 2007 on, things have changed. My Corvette is a 2008 and bog stock handles/brakes fantastically well, has 505 bhp and a gorgeous revvy V8.
I would have to say that Pistonheads are right IF they mean that there has been a serious leap in all round performance in the last say 10 years.
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