RE: Chevrolet Camaro: Driven
Discussion
swerni said:
300bhp/ton said:
MrB. said:
Apologies if I sounded flippant, but I'm not really talking about 0-60 or standing 1/4s, more about the feel of the car in normal driving. Like I said, I'm a fan of it, and I loved having the car to drive up Highway One from San Francisco. It's just that it never feels quick, more "relaxed" in its performance. I concur with previous posts about the visibility too, but on the whole, I was very sorry to hand it back after just 3 days.
No offence meant, but I do drive cars I consider to be substantially faster, but, like I said, I'm a fan of the Camaro and apologies if it came across as a flippant remark. It wasn't intended to be.
No need to apologies. I just find it odd, that a car quicker than a Focus ST mk2 can be called slow. Few on here would likely label the ST as slow. And arguably the V6 Camaro is just as attainable in the US and partly aimed at the same demographic as the ST is here.No offence meant, but I do drive cars I consider to be substantially faster, but, like I said, I'm a fan of the Camaro and apologies if it came across as a flippant remark. It wasn't intended to be.
Personally I wouldn't contemplate the V6
R8VXF said:
swerni said:
It's not slow, but I didn't exactly find it quick or exciting.
Personally I wouldn't contemplate the V6
Yup, ZL1 for me. The engine is a peach Personally I wouldn't contemplate the V6
WTF is that all about? I wouldn't want the V6, never mind a detuned Focus engine in a Yank Musclecar.
irocfan said:
dme123 said:
It looks like the visibility alone would make this thoroughly unenjoyable in the UK on anything other than big open A roads. City driving with lane changes and merges would be a real chore. I confidently predict that this will once again only be seen in the UK being driven by the wannabe Americans and various neckbeards desperate to substitute novelty for personality. 
so by that logic people who drive German cars want to wear Ledderhosen, those who drive Japanese cars have a hankering to be Yakuza, those who like Italian cars are wannabe racers - those who like English cars of a certain era are happy with sub-standard products 
Fair point about the English cars
R8VXF said:
CorvetteConvert said:
It's like the new FOUR cylinder Mustang.
WTF is that all about? I wouldn't want the V6, never mind a detuned Focus engine in a Yank Musclecar.
Bet the engine bay looks empty with the four pot in it!WTF is that all about? I wouldn't want the V6, never mind a detuned Focus engine in a Yank Musclecar.
Like most people who post here, I'd have the V8. However... from a product perspective... and a from the perspective of culture... I quite like the idea that some buyers might choose the V6 Camaro specifically as a platform to indulge in the world of tuning.
The V6 car loses even more weight than its more powerful sibling. And I would not be surprised if the V6 should respond well to a remap. Or forced induction.
On the question of RHD: I agree that it's kinda cool to have the Yank original, in LHD, while living in the UK. That little bit of difference. That everyday sense of occasion.
On the other hand, I do prefer that Chevrolet produce the Camaro in RHD, as Ford has done with the Mustang. My rationale for this is cultural: I would like petrolheads in RHD countries to contribute even more to the culture of Camaro and to pony cars / muscle cars in general. This wish is not about transforming the culture into something it's not; this wish is about enriching the fabric.
CorvetteConvert said:
Exactly, for a short while i actually thought 300bhp/ton (aka 8 sheds) was learning the error of his ways but his naivety/aggression comes out every single day on PH and he just digs bigger holes for himself, with more and more people, as he goes along. Report back to me ''8 sheds'' when you have a fraction of the car experience i have had (and yes there are many people with far more knowledge/experience than me, i accept that).
Invest in some new spades, too.
So you've given up on the subtle insults and going direct for the blatant ones then?Invest in some new spades, too.
Edited by CorvetteConvert on Thursday 29th October 08:32
Do you think that maybe if you'd not continually tried to insult me, that maybe I'd actually respect you a little more? I don't recall you ever being even polite, every post seems to be some sort of jibe at me or my choices. And when asked a question, you evade, ignore or run away.
dme123 said:
irocfan said:
dme123 said:
It looks like the visibility alone would make this thoroughly unenjoyable in the UK on anything other than big open A roads. City driving with lane changes and merges would be a real chore. I confidently predict that this will once again only be seen in the UK being driven by the wannabe Americans and various neckbeards desperate to substitute novelty for personality.
so by that logic people who drive German cars want to wear Ledderhosen, those who drive Japanese cars have a hankering to be Yakuza, those who like Italian cars are wannabe racers - those who like English cars of a certain era are happy with sub-standard products Fair point about the English cars
As for me, well my local Vauxhall dealer sold the Camaro, Corvette, Blazer and Cadilliac from 1998 to circa 2004. It was no bother at all. Certainly less bother than trying to get a test drive in a BRZ, to which Subaru UK tell me I need to do a 1 1/2 - 2 drive, as none of the local dealerships are able to offer a test drive in one.
But that's by the by. The question was what cars was St John Smythe using for comparison. Honestly I doubt they'll answer, they are happy with quick jibes, but rarely answer a straight forward question.
300bhp/ton said:
Don't think it's that much commitment. Maybe more so in the UK, but seeing as some posters on here are in the USA, then that changes things.
As for me, well my local Vauxhall dealer sold the Camaro, Corvette, Blazer and Cadilliac from 1998 to circa 2004. It was no bother at all. Certainly less bother than trying to get a test drive in a BRZ, to which Subaru UK tell me I need to do a 1 1/2 - 2 drive, as none of the local dealerships are able to offer a test drive in one.
But that's by the by. The question was what cars was St John Smythe using for comparison. Honestly I doubt they'll answer, they are happy with quick jibes, but rarely answer a straight forward question.
Ironic.As for me, well my local Vauxhall dealer sold the Camaro, Corvette, Blazer and Cadilliac from 1998 to circa 2004. It was no bother at all. Certainly less bother than trying to get a test drive in a BRZ, to which Subaru UK tell me I need to do a 1 1/2 - 2 drive, as none of the local dealerships are able to offer a test drive in one.
But that's by the by. The question was what cars was St John Smythe using for comparison. Honestly I doubt they'll answer, they are happy with quick jibes, but rarely answer a straight forward question.
It wouldn't matter, you're so blinkered you'd surely find a reason to dismiss anything that doesn't fit in with your opinion. You talk about people being critical of certain US cars but you don't listen or respect their opinions, then complain when they don't in turn respect your own. If you were serious about a test drive of the BRZ what's the big deal with driving 90mins, what were you expecting, delivery?
300bhp/ton said:
You can be illusive and difficult all you like, but it's a fair question and not a difficult one. What did "you" comparable it to, to come up with the conclusion it was uncomparable?
Considering pony cars are not part of the UK or EU market, you either compare to similar value and target demographic vehicles (XR3, GTE, etc.) or you compare it to much more expensive cars of similar layout, engine and power (BMW, Porsche, Jag, etc.)
Agreed, I think that is a fair question. Considering pony cars are not part of the UK or EU market, you either compare to similar value and target demographic vehicles (XR3, GTE, etc.) or you compare it to much more expensive cars of similar layout, engine and power (BMW, Porsche, Jag, etc.)
A lot of domestic USA cars are simply different steeds built for different needs (and price points).
You either compare at a relative price point or a relative concept - both in both cases one is often comparing apples with oranges.
yonex said:
If you were serious about a test drive of the BRZ what's the big deal with driving 90mins, what were you expecting, delivery?
Tetchy aren't you.No, but there are main dealers about 15-20 mins from here. Driving to where they wanted me to go, would have meant driving past 1 or 2 dealerships. That seemed rather bonkers to me.
It's not as if I live in a remote part of the country. That said, no it isn't a real issue. But spending most a day to go for a 5-10 min blast in a car, probably isn't the most well spent of time. Driving a GT86 locally makes far more sense.
RoverP6B said:
Yes, it is correct, Jaguar bodged a V6 out of their V8. Swapping in a V8, therefore, is not difficult. There's an Ingenium straight six on the way, though.
Technically you can then just make a V8 out of the V6 and technically not have swapped engines so no need to inform the DVLA?300bhp/ton said:
But you can't, comparing US prices converted to sterling
is pointless.
The V6 costs 25k.... that's the reality.
Because believe it or not, most people in America get paid in USD$ at a US wage rate. They don't funnily enough get paid in £ sterling, then allowed to convert it.
You hit the nail right on the head. is pointless.
The V6 costs 25k.... that's the reality.
Because believe it or not, most people in America get paid in USD$ at a US wage rate. They don't funnily enough get paid in £ sterling, then allowed to convert it.
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