Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
Discussion
Beefmeister said:
In your opinion. Everyone else seems to be happy with the thread, so I suggest you simply protect your fragile demeanour by not reading it.
There you go poppet. Go and have a nice glass of milk and relax. Maybe try some classical music.
with such a retort you should produce a vlogThere you go poppet. Go and have a nice glass of milk and relax. Maybe try some classical music.
RSK21 said:
But it.'s not advertising.
A lot of the bigger brands are handed over to a youtuber at an official dealership, they go to driving days, do a factory walk through, show the spec'ing and manufacturing stuff...barely a negative word ever expressed....
All it does it get the marque's name in the frame...
Like the previous poster said, YouTube is the new 'bedroom poster'
Associated brands get in line and feed off the same frenzy...
Some of the videos certainly make me aware of brands I hadn't heard of before....
They're just a mish-mash of lifestyle guff, moving brochure, extended test drive, ownership experience, all done on ever better kit, from wobbly-loud-cam to steady-drone-cam
Edited by Quickmoose on Friday 24th March 14:45
Kenny Powers said:
Shnozz said:
It really is that simple. Just walk into Porsche and walk out in the new GT3...
Well yes. I realise it's a nuanced topic, just like everything else in life. But honestly, I'm willing to bet a pound that nearly everyone who moans about this, drives a lowered Fiesta ST. Of course there will be a few guys who genuinely feel aggrieved that they missed an opportunity because TGE has a better beard than they do, but I'd bet two pounds they are in the extreme minority.Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
Look at Andy Bruce's instagram posts.
Aside from his McLarens he has 12 Porsches lots of which were bought new within the last 2 years - 991R, 991 GT3RS, Macan Turbo, 991 Turbo S. He also had a new 918.
He's been told by the same OPC he bought these from that he can't have a GT3 or the new GT2 when it comes out for some reason.
Now obviously no one is going to be shedding any tears for him but if he can't get a car with that buying history (and keeping and using them) then it does beg the question what criteria is being used to select the lucky few.
Oh and TGE just looks like a slightly fitter version of golfer Andrew 'Beef' Johnson
Edited by Davey S2 on Friday 24th March 14:44
Quickmoose said:
Depends who you're watching.
A lot of the bigger brands are handed over to youtuber at an official dealership, they go to driving days, do a factory walk through, show the spec'ing and manufacturing stuff...barely a negative word ever expressed....
All it does it get the marque's name in the frame...
Like the previous poster said, YouTube is the new 'bedroom poster'
Associated brands get in line and feed off the same frenzy...
Some of the videos certainly make me aware of brands I hadn't heard of before....
Agree to an extent - Armytrix (now the first thing every 12 year says whenever the word exhaust is mentioned), DUB whoever they are , the finance house and the bloke who looks like Bladrick who helps Seen Through SOL find their motors all great examples.A lot of the bigger brands are handed over to youtuber at an official dealership, they go to driving days, do a factory walk through, show the spec'ing and manufacturing stuff...barely a negative word ever expressed....
All it does it get the marque's name in the frame...
Like the previous poster said, YouTube is the new 'bedroom poster'
Associated brands get in line and feed off the same frenzy...
Some of the videos certainly make me aware of brands I hadn't heard of before....
The big OEMs ? Don't get it so much, I am no more minded to buy a car because these chaps have got one, wrapped it a different colour and stuck a new exhaust on. In fact I'm getting ever grumpier as I watch manufacturers seemingly apply different rules a la GT car allocation at Porsche or McLaren telling me I can't change the exhaust let alone the cats !
Once again I don't blame the guys for exploiting the current zeitgeist but I think much of the YT phenomenon is emperor's new clothes and marketing depts have drunk too much of the kook-aid.
RSK21 said:
But it.'s not advertising. Advertising means the narrative is controlled by th brand owner, advertising is Porsche's own You Tube channel.
It's a case of Advertising vs Publicity. Content marketing vs Referral marketing.IF you had a coffee shop, what might be more effective:
1) A billboard saying "come try our great coffee round the corner"
2) A seemingly organic mention by an influential local saying "just popped into that coffee shop round the corner. Best coffee in town"
Gary Vaynerchuk covers this stuff a lot. The crux of it is that consumers don't respond well to direct marketing anymore.
Kenny Powers said:
Well yes. I realise it's a nuanced topic, just like everything else in life. But honestly, I'm willing to bet a pound that nearly everyone who moans about this, drives a lowered Fiesta ST. Of course there will be a few guys who genuinely feel aggrieved that they missed an opportunity because TGE has a better beard than they do, but I'd bet two pounds they are in the extreme minority.
Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
Whoa, are you saying there's something wrong with owning a lowered Fiesta ST? I feel a tad insulted.Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
AOK said:
It's a case of Advertising vs Publicity. Content marketing vs Referral marketing.
IF you had a coffee shop, what might be more effective:
1) A billboard saying "come try our great coffee round the corner"
2) A seemingly organic mention by an influential local saying "just popped into that coffee shop round the corner. Best coffee in town"
Gary Vaynerchuk covers this stuff a lot. The crux of it is that consumers don't respond well to direct marketing anymore.
As ever though it is about context, content and audience.IF you had a coffee shop, what might be more effective:
1) A billboard saying "come try our great coffee round the corner"
2) A seemingly organic mention by an influential local saying "just popped into that coffee shop round the corner. Best coffee in town"
Gary Vaynerchuk covers this stuff a lot. The crux of it is that consumers don't respond well to direct marketing anymore.
For some markets it makes more sense than others.
Davey S2 said:
But lots of genuine buyers are apparently missing out.
Look at Andy Bruce's instagram posts.
Aside from his McLarens he has 12 Porsches lots of which were bought new within the last 2 years - 991R, 991 GT3RS, Macan Turbo, 991 Turbo S. He also had a new 918.
He's been told by the same OPC he bought these from that he can't have a GT3 or the new GT2 when it comes out for some reason.
Now obviously no one is going to be shedding any tears for him but if he can't get a car with that buying history (and keeping and using them) then it does beg the question what criteria is being used to select the lucky few.
You raise an interesting aspect there. If a fat fLook at Andy Bruce's instagram posts.
Aside from his McLarens he has 12 Porsches lots of which were bought new within the last 2 years - 991R, 991 GT3RS, Macan Turbo, 991 Turbo S. He also had a new 918.
He's been told by the same OPC he bought these from that he can't have a GT3 or the new GT2 when it comes out for some reason.
Now obviously no one is going to be shedding any tears for him but if he can't get a car with that buying history (and keeping and using them) then it does beg the question what criteria is being used to select the lucky few.
k keeps buying all the pies isn't it fair to say 'no' to the next special pie so that someone else can have a chance to buy one? And that's besides the simple question as to whether someone who buys 12 cars of the same marque in less than two years has some kind of mental health issue? DonkeyApple said:
You raise an interesting aspect there. If a fat fk keeps buying all the pies isn't it fair to say 'no' to the next special pie so that someone else can have a chance to buy one? And that's besides the simple question as to whether someone who buys 12 cars of the same marque in less than two years has some kind of mental health issue?
That was pretty much going to be my response. Someone is always going to lose out, be it the rich nobody, or the rich somebody. Such is life. I'm mot saying it's not an issue. Clearly it is for some. I just don't think it's worth getting emotional over. I wish I were in a position to be upset that Porsche wouldn't sell me a GT3 k keeps buying all the pies isn't it fair to say 'no' to the next special pie so that someone else can have a chance to buy one? And that's besides the simple question as to whether someone who buys 12 cars of the same marque in less than two years has some kind of mental health issue? 
Kenny Powers said:
DonkeyApple said:
You raise an interesting aspect there. If a fat fk keeps buying all the pies isn't it fair to say 'no' to the next special pie so that someone else can have a chance to buy one? And that's besides the simple question as to whether someone who buys 12 cars of the same marque in less than two years has some kind of mental health issue?
That was pretty much going to be my response. Someone is always going to lose out, be it the rich nobody, or the rich somebody. Such is life. I'm mot saying it's not an issue. Clearly it is for some. I just don't think it's worth getting emotional over. I wish I were in a position to be upset that Porsche wouldn't sell me a GT3 k keeps buying all the pies isn't it fair to say 'no' to the next special pie so that someone else can have a chance to buy one? And that's besides the simple question as to whether someone who buys 12 cars of the same marque in less than two years has some kind of mental health issue? My point was there seems to be no set criteria for who gets an allocation. Is it good long term customers who have spent lots of cash with the dealer in the past? 'enthusiasts' the OPC thinks will use the cars as intended? People who lost out on getting the gen 1 car?
No one seems to know.
Davey S2 said:
As I said no one will lose any sleep over him not getting the new GT3. He has all bases covered with his current cars.
My point was there seems to be no set criteria for who gets an allocation. Is it good long term customers who have spent lots of cash with the dealer in the past? 'enthusiasts' the OPC thinks will use the cars as intended? People who lost out on getting the gen 1 car?
No one seems to know.
There's no regulation in place for selection so it's almost certainly going to boil down to basic commercials. Even if someone has been a big customer there may be other people that a dealer wants to bring on as customers, or maybe someone they know will genuinely cherish the car and never buy another, or just simple treat me mean to keep em keen etc. My point was there seems to be no set criteria for who gets an allocation. Is it good long term customers who have spent lots of cash with the dealer in the past? 'enthusiasts' the OPC thinks will use the cars as intended? People who lost out on getting the gen 1 car?
No one seems to know.
What you know about Porsche is that if you miss one rare model there will be another one in six months time so it's hardly the end of the world.
DonkeyApple said:
What you know about Porsche is that if you miss one rare model there will be another one in six months time so it's hardly the end of the world.
Which is great for the vloggers that have no interest in manuals or keeping the thing / finding the next new carBut...
n17ves said:
probably the last chance to buy a normally aspirated GT Porsche with manual gearbox and a ridiculously high revving engine (9k rpm).
I'm in the market for a 991.2 GT3 (in particular an Agate Grey PDK car should any flippers be reading 
)
I wouldn't even think of walking into a dealership and trying to get one new, as my track history is very very poor:
1) bought a Cayman 987 new
2) bought a 991.1 GTS used
As such, I'll be one of the people keeping an eye on the classifieds to snap up one of the first reasonably priced flipper cars (avec premium)... and I don't mind that thats the way it is. "WHY?" I hear all the socialists say - because I can rest easy knowing the (here's hoping) £30-50k premium that I line someone's pocket with is insignificant in comparison to the amount of money they have dropped over the years at one OPC to be in that position to be offered one new... i.e. by religiously buying lumpy Cayennes, Panameras, cooking 911s etc for their whole family and then part exchanging them back for tens of thousands less than they paid.
Me? Can't be arsed with all that sucking up... and even once I've paid the flippers premium, its still likely to lose less money per every 1 month / 1,000 miles than any of the other cars I would consider in that price bracket.
2p
)I wouldn't even think of walking into a dealership and trying to get one new, as my track history is very very poor:
1) bought a Cayman 987 new
2) bought a 991.1 GTS used
As such, I'll be one of the people keeping an eye on the classifieds to snap up one of the first reasonably priced flipper cars (avec premium)... and I don't mind that thats the way it is. "WHY?" I hear all the socialists say - because I can rest easy knowing the (here's hoping) £30-50k premium that I line someone's pocket with is insignificant in comparison to the amount of money they have dropped over the years at one OPC to be in that position to be offered one new... i.e. by religiously buying lumpy Cayennes, Panameras, cooking 911s etc for their whole family and then part exchanging them back for tens of thousands less than they paid.
Me? Can't be arsed with all that sucking up... and even once I've paid the flippers premium, its still likely to lose less money per every 1 month / 1,000 miles than any of the other cars I would consider in that price bracket.
2p
Was discussing Andy74b not getting a GT3 with a friend earlier and he made a good point.
Andy has a 911R - maybe Porsche don't want to give him a manual 991.2 GT3 as they know it'll be better than the R in every measurable way. And lets just say Andy isn't backwards about coming forwards with his feelings on social media...
Andy has a 911R - maybe Porsche don't want to give him a manual 991.2 GT3 as they know it'll be better than the R in every measurable way. And lets just say Andy isn't backwards about coming forwards with his feelings on social media...
ThatnameagainitsTGE said:
Had to Google that, and still none the wiser.
Well the first result says[quote]Urban Dictionary: miscer
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=miscer
A miscer is a member of the misc section of the bodybuilding.com forums.
Kenny Powers said:
I don't understand why some people get so emotional about flipping. If it annoys you that much then buy one yourself and don't sell it. Surely nearly everyone who complains, was not in a position to buy the cars in question...so what does it matter?
The only people who complain are the people without either the money or foresight to do it themselves.Be it property, cars, or even domain names.
RSK21 said:
Flipping is an emotive term I agree.
I do however have some sympathy with N7VES' overall view. Porsche UK and the OPCs are in the main very very strict about who gets GT cars and the qualifying criteria seem to be a number of cars of a number of years usually from that one dealer. It is her fore annoying and frankly feels rather insulting to people who may be somewhere near but not quite at that qualifying level when somebody without the same buying provenance is moved to the front of the queue. Of course we still don't know if our two blogging chums on this thread have been sanctioned but they are in the mix.
And so we come to your point about people who "can offer more to Porsche". How would you describe this ? I fail to see why thousands of semi-literate, aspiriational eyeballs on cars that even if they had the wherewithal it's highly likely they couldn't buy is adding value to the Porsche brand. This of course is the classic You Tube debate, where actually is the value ? Good luck to the chaps riding the wave though.
You can only blame Porsche for that, not the actual consumers.I do however have some sympathy with N7VES' overall view. Porsche UK and the OPCs are in the main very very strict about who gets GT cars and the qualifying criteria seem to be a number of cars of a number of years usually from that one dealer. It is her fore annoying and frankly feels rather insulting to people who may be somewhere near but not quite at that qualifying level when somebody without the same buying provenance is moved to the front of the queue. Of course we still don't know if our two blogging chums on this thread have been sanctioned but they are in the mix.
And so we come to your point about people who "can offer more to Porsche". How would you describe this ? I fail to see why thousands of semi-literate, aspiriational eyeballs on cars that even if they had the wherewithal it's highly likely they couldn't buy is adding value to the Porsche brand. This of course is the classic You Tube debate, where actually is the value ? Good luck to the chaps riding the wave though.
Beefmeister said:
Was discussing Andy74b not getting a GT3 with a friend earlier and he made a good point.
Andy has a 911R - maybe Porsche don't want to give him a manual 991.2 GT3 as they know it'll be better than the R in every measurable way. And lets just say Andy isn't backwards about coming forwards with his feelings on social media...
Not sure why that would be relevant. This is the 'new' GT3, it's supposed to sit at the top of the food chain for Porsche. Not entirely where or what the R sits as but I can't imagine it affecting anything. Andy has a 911R - maybe Porsche don't want to give him a manual 991.2 GT3 as they know it'll be better than the R in every measurable way. And lets just say Andy isn't backwards about coming forwards with his feelings on social media...
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