Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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CooperS said:
Salomondrin content has bombed recently and squeezing a new employee into a rental Mercedes is just a bit far. I'd take a guess that a production company have bought the rights to bangin gears as this was almost main stream TV quality content.
Archie never goes racing Hamilton just bombards the viewers with clickbait and advertised content.
For the rest I begun to appreciate Tim's stuff. I can't watch the let's spec my car stuff but the whole AM journey content was interesting and an insight I'd not normally get.
For me you're watching the content for the characters as the famous 5 all push the same advertising lead content and same approach.
I kinda like Paul of SCL but this is his approach to content so at least I know in advance what videos I'm going to watch in the background to BF1 and cooking dinner.
I guess at the end of the day application of a cookie cutter process is what I guess you need if your going to achieve daily posts. I certainly wouldn't want to take on the chore of running around for advertisers to make content that sustained me and for those who are monetary successful I applaud you.
You've pretty much nailed it right there sir.Archie never goes racing Hamilton just bombards the viewers with clickbait and advertised content.
For the rest I begun to appreciate Tim's stuff. I can't watch the let's spec my car stuff but the whole AM journey content was interesting and an insight I'd not normally get.
For me you're watching the content for the characters as the famous 5 all push the same advertising lead content and same approach.
- Tell people your thinking of buying a new car
- Go on random (now sponsored) walk of a 'random' dealership
- Get some car broker involved
- Ask the famous 5 to turn up and guess what you're going to buy
- Spec your car or explain why you didn't as it was just the perfect spec for you
- Pick up car with some of the famous 5
- Drive round London or Monte Carlo
- Get it wrapped cause that perfect spec wasn't quite perfect
- Get a exhaust cause that's good for 2 videos
- Drive a little more and now explain how you financed the car without giving numbers but repeating the brokers name
- Go on a Euro drive with famous 5
- 4 months later explain that a mystery person wants your car and say that soon you'll be doing all over again.......
I kinda like Paul of SCL but this is his approach to content so at least I know in advance what videos I'm going to watch in the background to BF1 and cooking dinner.
I guess at the end of the day application of a cookie cutter process is what I guess you need if your going to achieve daily posts. I certainly wouldn't want to take on the chore of running around for advertisers to make content that sustained me and for those who are monetary successful I applaud you.
CooperS said:
For me you're watching the content for the characters as the famous 5 all push the same advertising lead content and same approach.
That was genuinely hilarious based on certain recent events...! I don't think I come under most of it though, or at least I try not to.- Tell people your thinking of buying a new car
- Go on random (now sponsored) walk of a 'random' dealership
- Get some car broker involved
- Ask the famous 5 to turn up and guess what you're going to buy
- Spec your car or explain why you didn't as it was just the perfect spec for you
- Pick up car with some of the famous 5
- Drive round London or Monte Carlo
- Get it wrapped cause that perfect spec wasn't quite perfect
- Get a exhaust cause that's good for 2 videos
- Drive a little more and now explain how you financed the car without giving numbers but repeating the brokers name
- Go on a Euro drive with famous 5
- 4 months later explain that a mystery person wants your car and say that soon you'll be doing all over again.......
One of the challenges is creating unique content, for example I did something similar to the above in the period 2-4 years ago with my R8 Spyder and then my 12C but now it's being done to death which is why I tried the GT8 storyline and have started with AMG looking at the engine factory prior to GT R arriving later this year - hopefully this will evolve. The experiment to involve the audience in a choice of which car I buy next is a bit of a test to see what happens and how it works from an engagement point of view if I genuinely put my cash where they suggest.
At the end of the day, the YouTubers will create content that is receiving the views - it would be foolish to do otherwise - so it is dictated by what the audience click.
Shmee said:
At the end of the day, the YouTubers will create content that is receiving the views - it would be foolish to do otherwise - so it is dictated by what the audience click.
Be careful with that though, you're basically working to the lowest common denominator....you become like a journo for the SUN, keep some integrity and do stuff YOU like every now and again...TopGear7 said:
I think lines like that are just used fot comical value. He's already wrapped the car and is soon to fit an exhaust on it, he's definitely not living edge to edge. He lives in central London and has another car worth 30 odd k. Doubt he's up at night lol
While no doubt all of the above is financed / mortgaged - he must be earning a significsnt sum cover payments
Just after he got the Mclaren I did some approximate calculations on what the HP payments for his Mclaren could be using Autotrader and the repayment calculator on the finance broker he plugs.While no doubt all of the above is financed / mortgaged - he must be earning a significsnt sum cover payments
Edited by TopGear7 on Tuesday 21st February 22:03
From what I remember if he put all the money he received from the Jag sale down as a deposit and took out a 4 year HP on the Mclaren then repayments where around a couple of grand a month.
Doable I suppose when you take into account his Youtube revenue and other income sources but when you add up his Mclaren finance, central london rent, garage rental, 695 finance and other costs of living / expenses I actually believe him.
I do enjoy his content though, genuinely entertaining especially that little 'seen through glaaaaaaas' catchphrase.
It might be foolish but in a lot of ways the people that make a lot of money on YouTube in my mind at least sort of go against what YouTube is all about "broadcast yourself"
To me it's a platform to express yourself and your interests, more than that it's a platform for everyone because lets face it not everyone (including yourself) has a face for television
To me YouTube should be about the little guys sharing their passions and driving forward creating and learning new things. As much as I admire some of your content I wouldnt say it's ground breaking, innovative or particularly inspiring again something I think YouTube is all about.
People aren't going to say "I want to make videos like shmee" they are going to say "I want to make videos like Chris Harris used to" or Evo and the like. Videos that have a bit of artwork and production value behind them.
You've already explained yourself in this thread multiple times so please don't take it as an attack on yourself as you can't please everyone - that's just the name of the game.
However I think given the fact you earn quite a lot of money from YouTube I would invest more heavily in equipment and production values and half the amount of videos put out.
To me it's a platform to express yourself and your interests, more than that it's a platform for everyone because lets face it not everyone (including yourself) has a face for television
To me YouTube should be about the little guys sharing their passions and driving forward creating and learning new things. As much as I admire some of your content I wouldnt say it's ground breaking, innovative or particularly inspiring again something I think YouTube is all about.
People aren't going to say "I want to make videos like shmee" they are going to say "I want to make videos like Chris Harris used to" or Evo and the like. Videos that have a bit of artwork and production value behind them.
You've already explained yourself in this thread multiple times so please don't take it as an attack on yourself as you can't please everyone - that's just the name of the game.
However I think given the fact you earn quite a lot of money from YouTube I would invest more heavily in equipment and production values and half the amount of videos put out.
Quickmoose said:
Be careful with that though, you're basically working to the lowest common denominator....you become like a journo for the SUN, keep some integrity and do stuff YOU like every now and again...
That would be a kinder way of saying what I meant.I really like Seen through Glass on the whole I mean there's a lot that bugs me about him but he puts a lot of work into his video and does it show!
Michaelhunt said:
It might be foolish but in a lot of ways the people that make a lot of money on YouTube in my mind at least sort of go against what YouTube is all about "broadcast yourself"
To me it's a platform to express yourself and your interests, more than that it's a platform for everyone because lets face it not everyone (including yourself) has a face for television
To me YouTube should be about the little guys sharing their passions and driving forward creating and learning new things. As much as I admire some of your content I wouldnt say it's ground breaking, innovative or particularly inspiring again something I think YouTube is all about.
People aren't going to say "I want to make videos like shmee" they are going to say "I want to make videos like Chris Harris used to" or Evo and the like. Videos that have a bit of artwork and production value behind them.
You've already explained yourself in this thread multiple times so please don't take it as an attack on yourself as you can't please everyone - that's just the name of the game.
However I think given the fact you earn quite a lot of money from YouTube I would invest more heavily in equipment and production values and half the amount of videos put out.
Google are very clever though. They attract the content producers with $$$ and then in turn the sponsors see the content producers send $$$ their way in the form of referral. However Google take the best slice of the cake as they take a cut off both the content producer and the sponsor via CPC. To me it's a platform to express yourself and your interests, more than that it's a platform for everyone because lets face it not everyone (including yourself) has a face for television
To me YouTube should be about the little guys sharing their passions and driving forward creating and learning new things. As much as I admire some of your content I wouldnt say it's ground breaking, innovative or particularly inspiring again something I think YouTube is all about.
People aren't going to say "I want to make videos like shmee" they are going to say "I want to make videos like Chris Harris used to" or Evo and the like. Videos that have a bit of artwork and production value behind them.
You've already explained yourself in this thread multiple times so please don't take it as an attack on yourself as you can't please everyone - that's just the name of the game.
However I think given the fact you earn quite a lot of money from YouTube I would invest more heavily in equipment and production values and half the amount of videos put out.
Michaelhunt said:
Quickmoose said:
Be careful with that though, you're basically working to the lowest common denominator....you become like a journo for the SUN, keep some integrity and do stuff YOU like every now and again...
That would be a kinder way of saying what I meant.I really like Seen through Glass on the whole I mean there's a lot that bugs me about him but he puts a lot of work into his video and does it show!
which Shmee to his credit is looking into also.
With PCP, lease etc the proliferation of the 'rich' and their super quick baubles being driven slowly in big cities, the site of a GENUINELY rare beauty being driven in wide open spaces (Petrolicious?) is a superb antidote to I'VE SOLD/BOUGHT MY NEW CAR AND WRAPPED/MODDED IT !! EPIC!! which I also watch...
eztiger328 said:
From what I remember if he put all the money he received from the Jag sale down as a deposit and took out a 4 year HP on the Mclaren then repayments where around a couple of grand a month.
TBH I reckon more like £1400 if he put a half decent deposit in.Still a lot of money but he is averaging around £100 a day I guess via clicks alone. That would easily cover it after tax.
He is also doing more sponsorship / PR / gig type stuff which will probably be worth a lot more than youtube. In that industry even some fairly unheard of people can earn a few thousand pounds per day. Someone with brand specific followers you could be looking at a lot more.
eztiger328 said:
Just after he got the Mclaren I did some approximate calculations on what the HP payments for his Mclaren could be using Autotrader and the repayment calculator on the finance broker he plugs.
From what I remember if he put all the money he received from the Jag sale down as a deposit and took out a 4 year HP on the Mclaren then repayments where around a couple of grand a month.
Doable I suppose when you take into account his Youtube revenue and other income sources but when you add up his Mclaren finance, central london rent, garage rental, 695 finance and other costs of living / expenses I actually believe him.
I do enjoy his content though, genuinely entertaining especially that little 'seen through glaaaaaaas' catchphrase.
The bit that people gloss over, particularly the YT guys, is that some of the base costs of life are most likley taken care of in some ways. QED not everything is at seems in respect of the perceived rewards of being a You Tuber.From what I remember if he put all the money he received from the Jag sale down as a deposit and took out a 4 year HP on the Mclaren then repayments where around a couple of grand a month.
Doable I suppose when you take into account his Youtube revenue and other income sources but when you add up his Mclaren finance, central london rent, garage rental, 695 finance and other costs of living / expenses I actually believe him.
I do enjoy his content though, genuinely entertaining especially that little 'seen through glaaaaaaas' catchphrase.
I suspect some of the YTubers are in the fortunate position of having had help with basics such as somewhere to live.... It's abundantly clear for example that Mr JWW comes from an extremely wealthy background and therfore the day to worries of a mortgage do not have to subsidised from YT earning.
The other model, but which adds up to the same thing, is the Paul Wallace one of live at home with Mum and fund lifetyle/content generation purchases via YT monies whilst bed an board is taken care of.
Silent1 said:
Butter Face said:
Large payment that keeps him up at night, wondering where he's going to get the money from for the payment.
I bet he didn't give those answers to the affordability questions for the finance
He's being honest, probably 98% of professional youtubers don't have a job outside of YouTube especially vloggers, they also don't often have a meaningful income stream outside of the advertising on their channel, this leaves them ridiculously vulnerable to the whims and wishes of YouTube and its algorithm, the sensible ones are at least trying to diversify and turn their audience into a group of people willing to go off YouTube, that way at least they can have a second income not tied to the channel and negotiate far better CPM rates directly.I bet he didn't give those answers to the affordability questions for the finance
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