Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
Discussion
Beefmeister said:
There's a massive difference between flipping and considering resale. Anyone who buys a £60k+ car without considering the resale is an idiot.
But I fear I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here.
Correct. Tbh Shmee definitely didn't flip his. Flipping is ordering purely with resale in mind, and selling slot or selling within delivery miles. Flipping is exploitation of the market and dealer network. This isn't. Nothing wrong with getting as much use as possible and enjoying it, then selling back through OPC while values are strong. Sensible, and when you have as many cars as someone like him, surprised it even got that much use. But I fear I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here.
n17ves]oshcowin said:
It is not flipping as he clearly didn't run the car with re-sale in mind!
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This is nearly as bad as defining sleeper in the sleeper thread lol.
Whether you call it flipping or not, taking priority over others and only keeping the car short term is poor(regardless of miles). Some of us have been told we need to purchase 7 new Porsche over the last 3 years to make the GT3 allocations, although Im confident Shmee will jump the queue and we'll see a 'OMG I've just bought a GT3' collection video in the next 6-12 months, followed by obligatory exhaust and wrapping vids. Then it will be sold next year to make way for another profiting car (GT3 RS?).
You must be extremely naive to think he never had resale in mind!
OK you are obviously just out to have a go as you fear your not going to get a slot for the car you want and someone who can offer more to Porsche will get the car. What you are doing is the equivalent of moaning that all premier league footballers get the best boots that you don't get a look in at buying![quote]
This is nearly as bad as defining sleeper in the sleeper thread lol.
Whether you call it flipping or not, taking priority over others and only keeping the car short term is poor(regardless of miles). Some of us have been told we need to purchase 7 new Porsche over the last 3 years to make the GT3 allocations, although Im confident Shmee will jump the queue and we'll see a 'OMG I've just bought a GT3' collection video in the next 6-12 months, followed by obligatory exhaust and wrapping vids. Then it will be sold next year to make way for another profiting car (GT3 RS?).
You must be extremely naive to think he never had resale in mind!
As for naive what evidence can you present that he did have resale in mind? Not like he doesn't have access to other amazing cars that he could pile miles on is it!!
ThatnameagainitsTGE said:
Beefmeister said:
There's a massive difference between flipping and considering resale. Anyone who buys a £60k+ car without considering the resale is an idiot.
But I fear I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here.
Correct. Tbh Shmee definitely didn't flip his. Flipping is ordering purely with resale in mind, and selling slot or selling within delivery miles. Flipping is exploitation of the market and dealer network. This isn't. Nothing wrong with getting as much use as possible and enjoying it, then selling back through OPC while values are strong. Sensible, and when you have as many cars as someone like him, surprised it even got that much use. But I fear I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here.
Kenny Powers said:
I don't understand why some people get so emotional about flipping. If it annoys you that much then buy one yourself and don't sell it. Surely nearly everyone who complains, was not in a position to buy the cars in question...so what does it matter?
It really is that simple. Just walk into Porsche and walk out in the new GT3...joshcowin said:
OK you are obviously just out to have a go as you fear your not going to get a slot for the car you want and someone who can offer more to Porsche will get the car. What you are doing is the equivalent of moaning that all premier league footballers get the best boots that you don't get a look in at buying!
As for naive what evidence can you present that he did have resale in mind? Not like he doesn't have access to other amazing cars that he could pile miles on is it!!
Flipping is an emotive term I agree. As for naive what evidence can you present that he did have resale in mind? Not like he doesn't have access to other amazing cars that he could pile miles on is it!!
I do however have some sympathy with N7VES' overall view. Porsche UK and the OPCs are in the main very very strict about who gets GT cars and the qualifying criteria seem to be a number of cars of a number of years usually from that one dealer. It is her fore annoying and frankly feels rather insulting to people who may be somewhere near but not quite at that qualifying level when somebody without the same buying provenance is moved to the front of the queue. Of course we still don't know if our two blogging chums on this thread have been sanctioned but they are in the mix.
And so we come to your point about people who "can offer more to Porsche". How would you describe this ? I fail to see why thousands of semi-literate, aspiriational eyeballs on cars that even if they had the wherewithal it's highly likely they couldn't buy is adding value to the Porsche brand. This of course is the classic You Tube debate, where actually is the value ? Good luck to the chaps riding the wave though.
Shnozz said:
It really is that simple. Just walk into Porsche and walk out in the new GT3...
Well yes. I realise it's a nuanced topic, just like everything else in life. But honestly, I'm willing to bet a pound that nearly everyone who moans about this, drives a lowered Fiesta ST. Of course there will be a few guys who genuinely feel aggrieved that they missed an opportunity because TGE has a better beard than they do, but I'd bet two pounds they are in the extreme minority.Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
RSK21 said:
And so we come to your point about people who "can offer more to Porsche". How would you describe this ? I fail to see why thousands of semi-literate, aspiriational eyeballs on cars that even if they had the wherewithal it's highly likely they couldn't buy is adding value to the Porsche brand. This of course is the classic You Tube debate, where actually is the value ? Good luck to the chaps riding the wave though.
Isn't that the same as asking "what value does advertising add?"It's just another platform, that if not exploited by 'you' will be by 'your' competitor...and given the sheer number of eyeballs from all over the world, I imagine it's really rather cost effective advertising... along with all the other associated brands that get thrown into the mix...phones, watches, wraps, PPF, exhausts, tuning...
Pretty soon Shmee and the gang will be powerful enough to call people 'poppet' on the internet. It's THAT influential.
When I ordered my GT4 around two years ago now, it wasn't a case of "oh I can flip this", it was "hopefully residuals will stay strong and it won't lose much" with an expectation of £5-10k loss for the mileage I wanted to do.
The fact that Porsche then kept them more limited than supply happened to fall in my favour but I ordered it expecting to lose some money and owned it for exactly the period I intended. Had I chased the bucks, I probably could have moved it on for £15-20k more at delivery miles - now that would be flipping!
The fact that Porsche then kept them more limited than supply happened to fall in my favour but I ordered it expecting to lose some money and owned it for exactly the period I intended. Had I chased the bucks, I probably could have moved it on for £15-20k more at delivery miles - now that would be flipping!
Kenny Powers said:
Shnozz said:
It really is that simple. Just walk into Porsche and walk out in the new GT3...
Well yes. I realise it's a nuanced topic, just like everything else in life. But honestly, I'm willing to bet a pound that nearly everyone who moans about this, drives a lowered Fiesta ST. Of course there will be a few guys who genuinely feel aggrieved that they missed an opportunity because TGE has a better beard than they do, but I'd bet two pounds they are in the extreme minority.Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
I also think that its only those who had the purchasing power to actually buy the cars that would feel suitably aggrieved to vocalise their opinion with any passion.
Kenny Powers said:
Well yes. I realise it's a nuanced topic, just like everything else in life. But honestly, I'm willing to bet a pound that nearly everyone who moans about this, drives a lowered Fiesta ST. Of course there will be a few guys who genuinely feel aggrieved that they missed an opportunity because TGE has a better beard than they do, but I'd bet two pounds they are in the extreme minority.
Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
You owe me £3.Of course I could be wrong. It's happened before
ThatnameagainitsTGE said:
Beefmeister said:
There's a massive difference between flipping and considering resale. Anyone who buys a £60k+ car without considering the resale is an idiot.
But I fear I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here.
Correct. Tbh Shmee definitely didn't flip his. Flipping is ordering purely with resale in mind, and selling slot or selling within delivery miles. Flipping is exploitation of the market and dealer network. This isn't. Nothing wrong with getting as much use as possible and enjoying it, then selling back through OPC while values are strong. Sensible, and when you have as many cars as someone like him, surprised it even got that much use. But I fear I'm just banging my head against a brick wall here.
RSK21 said:
And so we come to your point about people who "can offer more to Porsche". How would you describe this ? I fail to see why thousands of semi-literate, aspiriational eyeballs on cars that even if they had the wherewithal it's highly likely they couldn't buy is adding value to the Porsche brand. This of course is the classic You Tube debate, where actually is the value ? Good luck to the chaps riding the wave though.
What car poster did you have on your wall growing up??Because youtube has replaced the poster, it is a window into a world very few will have access to, however thousands of teenagers across the globe will be aspiring to own these cars/brands one day!
Social media and retail has moved on so much that porsche want to build a brand, they create a following via social media and then they can sell things to that following, be it cars, experience days, hats, phone cases ... The oportunities to create income in the consumer society are there for the taking for big brands with a following.
Ps I had a Diablo on my wall oh and a ferrari F1 car (will never own a ferrari F1 car but bought the picture for £15)
RSK21 said:
I fail to see why thousands of semi-literate, aspiriational eyeballs on cars that even if they had the wherewithal it's highly likely they couldn't buy is adding value to the Porsche brand. This of course is the classic You Tube debate, where actually is the value ? Good luck to the chaps riding the wave though.
But we are all here having this discussion now as a result... on a forum with loads of potential porsche owners 
joshcowin said:
Just seen you own a GT4, nice do you genuinely want a gt3?
Yes - probably the last chance to buy a normally aspirated GT Porsche with manual gearbox and a ridiculously high revving engine (9k rpm).I was invited to place the 10k deposit on the day of launch (registered my interest 2 years ago) and even received the confirmed order form back from the OPC, albeit unsigned. Was told a week ago I definitely will no be getting a car....even offered to buy a Macan to try and convince them to change their mind!
Im similar age to some of these vloggers, but clearly I made the wrong choice of profession for Porsche to turn me down...in hindsight, maybe vlogging "OMG Ive just placed a deposit" would have improved my chances better than offering to buy another car. RAHHHHHHHH
Edited by n17ves on Friday 24th March 14:30
Quickmoose said:
Isn't that the same as asking "what value does advertising add?"
It's just another platform, that if not exploited by 'you' will be by 'your' competitor...and given the sheer number of eyeballs from all over the world, I imagine it's really rather cost effective advertising... along with all the other associated brands that get thrown into the mix...phones, watches, wraps, PPF, exhausts, tuning...
Pretty soon Shmee and the gang will be powerful enough to call people 'poppet' on the internet. It's THAT influential.
It's just another platform, that if not exploited by 'you' will be by 'your' competitor...and given the sheer number of eyeballs from all over the world, I imagine it's really rather cost effective advertising... along with all the other associated brands that get thrown into the mix...phones, watches, wraps, PPF, exhausts, tuning...
Pretty soon Shmee and the gang will be powerful enough to call people 'poppet' on the internet. It's THAT influential.
But it.'s not advertising. Advertising means the narrative is controlled by th brand owner, advertising is Porsche's own You Tube channel.
Having just this we sold a car back to Porsche and having to fill out a form which states no mods or changes to factory spec I'm baffled that they would see value in providing cars to people who drive traffic directly through modifying the vehicles for their audience.
And yes I know that makes me sound like a grumpy old sod.
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