Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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Deisel Weisel said:
Gav147 said:
Shmee, ignore them, there really is no need to come on public forums and start telling everyone your private business, it has sod all to do with anyone other than yourself how you fund them and chances are you will only cause more problems for yourself stating things like that ^^, what every you say you will always have someone questioning everything you do, the joys of the internet!
If you flaunt a £1m+ car collection on youtube, but never give any real detail on how you afford it, naturally people are going to ask questions, especially if you come from a very rich family. I was trying to counter that speculation, by working out the cost of finance. Anyway, every time I purchased a packet of Jammy Dodgers or Wagon Wheels, I always felt I was contributing in some small way to Shmee150, but who knows...Though being a PH'er you wouldn't be shopping there, obvs.
..."driving traffic secures ad sales'
See my earlier posts on this, this is the scam, YouTube knocking up any old ads on video channels to fleece dumb advertisers of cash. Schmee is just the hard worker ant giving YouTube some stats and an outlet for these ads to be served onto.
This ladies and gentlemen is the scam.
It's about eyeballs NOTHING else.
See my earlier posts on this, this is the scam, YouTube knocking up any old ads on video channels to fleece dumb advertisers of cash. Schmee is just the hard worker ant giving YouTube some stats and an outlet for these ads to be served onto.
This ladies and gentlemen is the scam.
It's about eyeballs NOTHING else.
Shmee said:
That's one of the best rumours, I don't know who started it and nor do I know any members of the former owners of Burton's Biscuit Company. There's a brief history here if it helps: https://www.burtonsbiscuits.com/our-company/our-hi...
Being a YouTuber is like presenting a TV show and owning the business at the same time. If you know what you're doing then like me, even being mediocre on camera, you can string together enough content to support the business and marketing efforts you make behind the scenes. Driving traffic secures ad sales and brand content deals and opens up huge hosts of affiliate scheme options through the sheer volume of numbers you handle. My team now comprises almost 10 people, this is a full operation with 3 guys virtually full time handling our contact with other businesses. I've been through it all many times earlier in the thread but one thing that amazes me is how you see websites out there take guesses at YouTubers' earnings based on averages; now consider somebody who knows what they are doing and trust me you can beat even their top estimates
You are doing great Tim, and when I look back at some of your older videos you can see how far things have progressed!Being a YouTuber is like presenting a TV show and owning the business at the same time. If you know what you're doing then like me, even being mediocre on camera, you can string together enough content to support the business and marketing efforts you make behind the scenes. Driving traffic secures ad sales and brand content deals and opens up huge hosts of affiliate scheme options through the sheer volume of numbers you handle. My team now comprises almost 10 people, this is a full operation with 3 guys virtually full time handling our contact with other businesses. I've been through it all many times earlier in the thread but one thing that amazes me is how you see websites out there take guesses at YouTubers' earnings based on averages; now consider somebody who knows what they are doing and trust me you can beat even their top estimates
Can only imagine what it will be like in another five years.
I like your channel as I am now owning A to B cars that are cheap which suits me for now so I live vicariously through you and your expensive and exciting ones!
Shmee said:
If you ask me, buying ad space in a magazine that nobody pays any attention to is equal...
Anyway, this very platform we are using to communicate is mostly ad supported. Can't win, can you!
I am very impressed, you've managed to turn many peoples opinions on car youtubers around, thank you for being so open and communicative, all the best!Anyway, this very platform we are using to communicate is mostly ad supported. Can't win, can you!
Fair play to him he's doing something he enjoys and earning a crust from it now. No one is being forced to find him and watch on you tube. At least he's not ginger and shouty unlike a certain other over paid tv presenter.
And don't get me started on sarah Cox, she should pay us to talk the drivel on the radio she comes out with, at least I can listen to this enthusiastic guy without reaching for the off button.
And don't get me started on sarah Cox, she should pay us to talk the drivel on the radio she comes out with, at least I can listen to this enthusiastic guy without reaching for the off button.
I'll chip in with my 2p worth, I gotta admit, the first time I saw a Shmee video I wasn't overly impressed, nothing personal but not my cup of tea.
However I persevered, watched a couple more, and now I quite enjoy his videos, a lot more than SOL buying cheeseburgers or Seb Delaney certainly.
Loved the Nissan drift day and the GT3 driving experience, he gets some great opportunities thrown his way so he must be doing something right.
I couldn't care less about his background or where his wealth comes from, why would you unless you were jealous?
Hell, I may even subscribe,
However I persevered, watched a couple more, and now I quite enjoy his videos, a lot more than SOL buying cheeseburgers or Seb Delaney certainly.
Loved the Nissan drift day and the GT3 driving experience, he gets some great opportunities thrown his way so he must be doing something right.
I couldn't care less about his background or where his wealth comes from, why would you unless you were jealous?
Hell, I may even subscribe,
treetops said:
..."driving traffic secures ad sales'
See my earlier posts on this, this is the scam, YouTube knocking up any old ads on video channels to fleece dumb advertisers of cash. Schmee is just the hard worker ant giving YouTube some stats and an outlet for these ads to be served onto.
This ladies and gentlemen is the scam.
It's about eyeballs NOTHING else.
The vast majority of businesses are like this these days though. I have seen more and more spring up over the last 5 years. They are PR machines first, goods / services companies second. See my earlier posts on this, this is the scam, YouTube knocking up any old ads on video channels to fleece dumb advertisers of cash. Schmee is just the hard worker ant giving YouTube some stats and an outlet for these ads to be served onto.
This ladies and gentlemen is the scam.
It's about eyeballs NOTHING else.
Even my non tech non PR type business is getting dragged in. We have FB and Twitter etc. Only this morning I spent 5 minutes uploading photos to the business FB account.
Then there is CPC. This is the genius part. Google make £££££ off me every year, so god knows how much they make off some of these bigger companies that have massive CPC campaigns. Organic search is pretty much dead these days. I wonder if it will ever swing back round or if CPC moves on to another format / media?
treetops said:
..."driving traffic secures ad sales'
See my earlier posts on this, this is the scam, YouTube knocking up any old ads on video channels to fleece dumb advertisers of cash. Schmee is just the hard worker ant giving YouTube some stats and an outlet for these ads to be served onto.
This ladies and gentlemen is the scam.
It's about eyeballs NOTHING else.
But is this not how the market is going? How many people buy print anymore for news/information? See my earlier posts on this, this is the scam, YouTube knocking up any old ads on video channels to fleece dumb advertisers of cash. Schmee is just the hard worker ant giving YouTube some stats and an outlet for these ads to be served onto.
This ladies and gentlemen is the scam.
It's about eyeballs NOTHING else.
Most people use their smartphones, internet etc so therefore advertisers need to move online to get people to see and view their products. The more people they can get to see their product/service potentially means they get more sales.
With Youtube video's being viewed millions of times by people across the world, then why shouldn't Schmee monertise his videos. He makes content because 1) He wants to? and 2) he now gets paid to do it.
Look at TV. How many TV Shows are sponsored by products. Companies feel that aligning themselves to a show will bring in more revenue. Its exactly the same here.
Shmee said:
I love these rumours too.
I can categorically state that not one car I purport to own has anything other than my name on the V5. My 675LT Spider, GT4, Focus RS and Mini are owned outright, the Ferrari FF is on Ferrari finance with a 33% deposit (and I've probably been building equity in it so far with my payments vs the depreciation curve).
The Vantage GT8 is next in and that will be outright; I haven't decided further afield than that yet. Maybe I'll finance the AMG GT R if I don't want to sell anything else and haven't got the available capital, otherwise I'll probably let something go - we shall see.
For what it's worth, my ex-675LT went to a private contact and has done a good few miles already and will be seen again. My ex-650S was very publicly sold (even in a video) via Alastair Bols, a McLaren independent and is regularly at car events in the North. My ex-12C was part-exchanged at McLaren Manchester against my 650S Spider and is now onto another owner and still fairly public with circa 35k miles on it. My ex-R8 was sold to Bespoke VIP rentals, and unfortunately got written off. My ex-V8VR went via a private sale advert on Pistonheads but I have no idea where it is now.
Your old 12C has just been sold again as the owner upgraded to a 650S. I can categorically state that not one car I purport to own has anything other than my name on the V5. My 675LT Spider, GT4, Focus RS and Mini are owned outright, the Ferrari FF is on Ferrari finance with a 33% deposit (and I've probably been building equity in it so far with my payments vs the depreciation curve).
The Vantage GT8 is next in and that will be outright; I haven't decided further afield than that yet. Maybe I'll finance the AMG GT R if I don't want to sell anything else and haven't got the available capital, otherwise I'll probably let something go - we shall see.
For what it's worth, my ex-675LT went to a private contact and has done a good few miles already and will be seen again. My ex-650S was very publicly sold (even in a video) via Alastair Bols, a McLaren independent and is regularly at car events in the North. My ex-12C was part-exchanged at McLaren Manchester against my 650S Spider and is now onto another owner and still fairly public with circa 35k miles on it. My ex-R8 was sold to Bespoke VIP rentals, and unfortunately got written off. My ex-V8VR went via a private sale advert on Pistonheads but I have no idea where it is now.
Edited by Shmee on Monday 25th July 20:19
Shmee said:
That's one of the best rumours, I don't know who started it and nor do I know any members of the former owners of Burton's Biscuit Company. There's a brief history here if it helps: https://www.burtonsbiscuits.com/our-company/our-hi...
Being a YouTuber is like presenting a TV show and owning the business at the same time. If you know what you're doing then like me, even being mediocre on camera, you can string together enough content to support the business and marketing efforts you make behind the scenes. Driving traffic secures ad sales and brand content deals and opens up huge hosts of affiliate scheme options through the sheer volume of numbers you handle. My team now comprises almost 10 people, this is a full operation with 3 guys virtually full time handling our contact with other businesses. I've been through it all many times earlier in the thread but one thing that amazes me is how you see websites out there take guesses at YouTubers' earnings based on averages; now consider somebody who knows what they are doing and trust me you can beat even their top estimates
http://www.romansinternational.com/car/1242/porsche-911-991-gt3-rsBeing a YouTuber is like presenting a TV show and owning the business at the same time. If you know what you're doing then like me, even being mediocre on camera, you can string together enough content to support the business and marketing efforts you make behind the scenes. Driving traffic secures ad sales and brand content deals and opens up huge hosts of affiliate scheme options through the sheer volume of numbers you handle. My team now comprises almost 10 people, this is a full operation with 3 guys virtually full time handling our contact with other businesses. I've been through it all many times earlier in the thread but one thing that amazes me is how you see websites out there take guesses at YouTubers' earnings based on averages; now consider somebody who knows what they are doing and trust me you can beat even their top estimates
Car for you?
Shmee said:
That's one of the best rumours, I don't know who started it and nor do I know any members of the former owners of Burton's Biscuit Company. There's a brief history here if it helps: https://www.burtonsbiscuits.com/our-company/our-hi...
Guys leave Shmee alone. His parents are ex council workers doing loads of overtime back in the day. That's how they could afford sending him to a posh school and then Shmee's dad got an annual bonus once and he got himself an Aston Martin. That's all there is to it. Artey said:
Guys leave Shmee alone. His parents are ex council workers doing loads of overtime back in the day. That's how they could afford sending him to a posh school and then Shmee's dad got an annual bonus once and he got himself an Aston Martin. That's all there is to it.
Supposed to be funny?Shmee said:
That's one of the best rumours, I don't know who started it and nor do I know any members of the former owners of Burton's Biscuit Company. There's a brief history here if it helps: https://www.burtonsbiscuits.com/our-company/our-hi...
Being a YouTuber is like presenting a TV show and owning the business at the same time. If you know what you're doing then like me, even being mediocre on camera, you can string together enough content to support the business and marketing efforts you make behind the scenes. Driving traffic secures ad sales and brand content deals and opens up huge hosts of affiliate scheme options through the sheer volume of numbers you handle. My team now comprises almost 10 people, this is a full operation with 3 guys virtually full time handling our contact with other businesses. I've been through it all many times earlier in the thread but one thing that amazes me is how you see websites out there take guesses at YouTubers' earnings based on averages; now consider somebody who knows what they are doing and trust me you can beat even their top estimates
I don't like reading about people who demand to know how yourself or other people afford anything. It's a mans own damn business. Yes there are some total tools on YT who are just rich kids. If I don't like something I just won't watch it. I think for many it is pure jealous. Fair play to you for making a success of it all. Must be great getting to drive and own such great cars. Being a YouTuber is like presenting a TV show and owning the business at the same time. If you know what you're doing then like me, even being mediocre on camera, you can string together enough content to support the business and marketing efforts you make behind the scenes. Driving traffic secures ad sales and brand content deals and opens up huge hosts of affiliate scheme options through the sheer volume of numbers you handle. My team now comprises almost 10 people, this is a full operation with 3 guys virtually full time handling our contact with other businesses. I've been through it all many times earlier in the thread but one thing that amazes me is how you see websites out there take guesses at YouTubers' earnings based on averages; now consider somebody who knows what they are doing and trust me you can beat even their top estimates
johnwilliams77 said:
Artey said:
Guys leave Shmee alone. His parents are ex council workers doing loads of overtime back in the day. That's how they could afford sending him to a posh school and then Shmee's dad got an annual bonus once and he got himself an Aston Martin. That's all there is to it.
Supposed to be funny?red_slr said:
The vast majority of businesses are like this these days though. I have seen more and more spring up over the last 5 years. They are PR machines first, goods / services companies second.
Even my non tech non PR type business is getting dragged in. We have FB and Twitter etc. Only this morning I spent 5 minutes uploading photos to the business FB account.
Then there is CPC. This is the genius part. Google make £££££ off me every year, so god knows how much they make off some of these bigger companies that have massive CPC campaigns. Organic search is pretty much dead these days. I wonder if it will ever swing back round or if CPC moves on to another format / media?
Organic search is dead? Really? Am I the only person who filters the ads out of my Google search results as I look through the list? Even my non tech non PR type business is getting dragged in. We have FB and Twitter etc. Only this morning I spent 5 minutes uploading photos to the business FB account.
Then there is CPC. This is the genius part. Google make £££££ off me every year, so god knows how much they make off some of these bigger companies that have massive CPC campaigns. Organic search is pretty much dead these days. I wonder if it will ever swing back round or if CPC moves on to another format / media?
Being on an unfiltered internet connection really ticked me off over the last 2 weeks on holiday. Back home now and the internet is back to normal.
rxe said:
Organic search is dead? Really?
It's dying.Google 'restaurant *any town*'. What you'll find on page 1 is links to review sites like TripAdvisor, aggregate deal sites like Groupon, listings like TimeOut and the occasional blog. In Glasgow there is one actual restaurant out of the ten.
So unless you're paying for it you're not going to feature. It's quite well documented that SEO in that sense is dying and it now has to include PPC to have any success.
red_slr said:
Then there is CPC. This is the genius part. Google make £££££ off me every year, so god knows how much they make off some of these bigger companies that have massive CPC campaigns. Organic search is pretty much dead these days. I wonder if it will ever swing back round or if CPC moves on to another format / media?
The PPC cost for plumbers and divorce lawyers is insane.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff