RE: Porsche 911 (991.II) Carrera: Driven
Discussion
Gus265 said:
Just read this and the Autocar version - pretty similar conclusions. But is the simple point that this car is not as fun as its predecessor?! I do have a vested interest in this statement being brought out into the open admittedly. But should people switch from a 458 into a 488, E92 M3 into an M4, 991.1 into 991.2 or, if you are not fussed about the age of your car, that you should keep what you have because its better? Of course, I think the articles do say that if you are just buying a brand new Fezza or Porker, these are still great cars worth having.
...and that is why I am keeping my 996 turbo which I've had for 12 years now. With a few tweaks (insurance-approved suspensions/exhaust/ECU upgrades)no newer version or any other car has been worthy of an upgrade for my needs (4 seats) and wishes: autobahn fast, alpine pass agile and a few track days. Sweeter still...the value of my car is going up!. Actually, the more boring newer models become, the faster the value of my car increases, so please guys keep going. At this pace by the time my car changes owner it will be subject to inheritance tax!
LotusOmega375D said:
and therein lies Lotus' problem. They need to get your 991 owner friends to consider it. Name me another 2+2 sports car in that 70k+ bracket with the engine behind the driver.
Or to put it another way, nobody wants a 2+2 sports car with the engine behind the driver unless it's a 911. Porsche only get away with the 911 because it's been a "classic" design evolved over many decades. Ferrari's attempts fell flat on their face and then just to prove they weren't paying attention Lotus jumped in with both feet to show they could cock it up as well. Neither GM nor Toyota were ever daft enough to try.Porsche haven't messed it up, it has moved forward where it needs to and yes (as always) lost a little character:
From EVO's video even on the standard exhaust its still sounds great (not as good as an aircooled 911, I agree) and from Richard Meaden's column in this month's EVO explaining why Porsche have won so may EVO car of the year awards - the consistency of the feel of all the controls and that it feels special at any speed (not just full throttle up shifts & the like) will still be present.
If you want an old 911 - buy an old 911.
I still want one - just wish I had the money for one
- EPAS, the best there is
- Torque, power and MPG/CO2 emissions all improved
- More modern interior with 918 Spyder inspire steering wheel
- Up dated infotainment (I hate that term!) system
From EVO's video even on the standard exhaust its still sounds great (not as good as an aircooled 911, I agree) and from Richard Meaden's column in this month's EVO explaining why Porsche have won so may EVO car of the year awards - the consistency of the feel of all the controls and that it feels special at any speed (not just full throttle up shifts & the like) will still be present.
If you want an old 911 - buy an old 911.
I still want one - just wish I had the money for one
Having owned plenty of both turbo and N/A cars, i definitely prefer N/A cannot see this as progress either, recently sold RS6 which despite being a great car and very quick it was not much fun to drive no feeling !. Thats exactly why i am preserving in the garage Merc a 6.3 SLS the best sound track around, My Lotus Evora 400 does not feel supercharged and god thats a good car and quicker than both these cars in manual form. When the wife comes to change her Porsche i will try and get her a low mileage N/A 911. For Porsche owners it will keep residual values of the N/A cars up i guess.
Sounds pretty good to me. It's a shame they've lost NA however it still has the howl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft6MbJsH83Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft6MbJsH83Q
hornetrider said:
Sounds pretty good to me. It's a shame they've lost NA however it still has the howl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft6MbJsH83Q
No howl to my ears. It sounds like a muted and flattened version of the normal DFI flat 6 sound. Less crescendo and a whole lot less mechanical noise. Catchpole has lost the plot when he says it sounds more like an aircooled Porsche because it is "softer" - the aircooled cars have a far more mechanical noise to them. The 991/981 major more on farty noise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft6MbJsH83Q
Ozzie Osmond said:
.. Victor Meldrews ...
I only ever seem to notice your posts on Lotus threads, posting like an old grump about how s
t Lotus are (partly because you're too old get in and out of their cars) and how great new Porsches are.Porsche's current cars are not without their drawbacks, especially for people who like some tactility in their driving experience. Some Porsche owners are so defensive about that fact.
He's onto you, Ozzie.kambites said:
Does anyone know whether the 991.2 GT3 will be going turbocharged or will it stand alone as a naturally aspirated engine in the 911 range?
Talk from Porsche has been that it will remain NA. It will be pretty strange to have a GT3 that is no faster than the GTS, but people will have to adjust expectations.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff