RE: Lotus Evora 400: Time For Tea?
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I tried one of the early ones when I went from being able to have a 2 seater to needing a 2+2. There was no way a child seat of any kind was going to fit in and allow anyone of average or above height in the front. Even without the childseat, once I had the driver's seat hoe I wanted it there wasn't any rear legroom for anyone.
They weren't alone in this though. I tried all the 2+2s and the only two I found that allowed me to sit how I wanted and left enough space for a childseat was the Grandtourismo and the Bentley.
They weren't alone in this though. I tried all the 2+2s and the only two I found that allowed me to sit how I wanted and left enough space for a childseat was the Grandtourismo and the Bentley.
DonkeyApple said:
I tried one of the early ones when I went from being able to have a 2 seater to needing a 2+2. There was no way a child seat of any kind was going to fit in and allow anyone of average or above height in the front. Even without the childseat, once I had the driver's seat hoe I wanted it there wasn't any rear legroom for anyone.
They weren't alone in this though. I tried all the 2+2s and the only two I found that allowed me to sit how I wanted and left enough space for a childseat was the Grandtourismo and the Bentley.
The 911 is the only one that I have tried where the rear seats are vaguely usable.They weren't alone in this though. I tried all the 2+2s and the only two I found that allowed me to sit how I wanted and left enough space for a childseat was the Grandtourismo and the Bentley.
The previous owner of my Evora had one child seat on the passenger side as his wife was 5' 7" ish so the passenger seat could be far enough forward for the child seat to sit behind it. However, when child 2 came along there was no way the child seat was going to fit behind the driver as he was a similar height for me. The lip of the child seat enough is too deep to have the front seats even close to the back of their runners and that in itself tells you all you need know about how much leg room there will be with the front seats in that position.
The 911 on the other half, well it was slightly comical seating position but we did legitimately squeeze 4 of us in a Turbo recently for a short trip from our hotel to Spa and then a pootle around the town in it. Certainly wouldn't want to do any distance unless your friends are midgets but for small kids it would be fine.
braddo said:
blueg33 said:
Shnozz said:
DonkeyApple said:
I tried one of the early ones when I went from being able to have a 2 seater to needing a 2+2. There was no way a child seat of any kind was going to fit in and allow anyone of average or above height in the front. Even without the childseat, once I had the driver's seat hoe I wanted it there wasn't any rear legroom for anyone.
They weren't alone in this though. I tried all the 2+2s and the only two I found that allowed me to sit how I wanted and left enough space for a childseat was the Grandtourismo and the Bentley.
The 911 is the only one that I have tried where the rear seats are vaguely usable.They weren't alone in this though. I tried all the 2+2s and the only two I found that allowed me to sit how I wanted and left enough space for a childseat was the Grandtourismo and the Bentley.
The previous owner of my Evora had one child seat on the passenger side as his wife was 5' 7" ish so the passenger seat could be far enough forward for the child seat to sit behind it. However, when child 2 came along there was no way the child seat was going to fit behind the driver as he was a similar height for me. The lip of the child seat enough is too deep to have the front seats even close to the back of their runners and that in itself tells you all you need know about how much leg room there will be with the front seats in that position.
The 911 on the other half, well it was slightly comical seating position but we did legitimately squeeze 4 of us in a Turbo recently for a short trip from our hotel to Spa and then a pootle around the town in it. Certainly wouldn't want to do any distance unless your friends are midgets but for small kids it would be fine.
But there is absolutely no hiding from the fact that what makes them uninteresting for me, their immense practicality and usability for what they are, is part of what makes them so popular. You hit your 30's, wake up with two kids and a 2 seater you never get to use any longer and a 911 really is the perfect solution and hard to fault.
I would argue that above almost any other reason, the reason they've worked so hard to maintain the engine as far back as possible is so as to never lose that core demographic of the 30-50 year old family man.
The car I did finally manage to buy has superb leg room in the back, even with the driver's seat back where I want it and at the same time manages to deliver very much a two seater driving experience (more than often lost as most 2+2 are GTs) and is sufficiently rough and ready to be an 'experience' when used.
What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
stuno1 said:
Evora width - 1848 mm
Evora length - 4350 mm
997 width - 1852 mm
997 length - 4435 mm
Cayman gts width - 1801 mm
Cayman gts length - 4404 mm
If you need more space inside doesn't the engine have to go to the front?Evora length - 4350 mm
997 width - 1852 mm
997 length - 4435 mm
Cayman gts width - 1801 mm
Cayman gts length - 4404 mm
Harping back to previous decent 2+2
Excel width 1816mm
Excel length 4376mm
Excel weight 1171kg
DonkeyApple said:
The car I did finally manage to buy has superb leg room in the back, even with the driver's seat back where I want it and at the same time manages to deliver very much a two seater driving experience (more than often lost as most 2+2 are GTs) and is sufficiently rough and ready to be an 'experience' when used.
What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
What car did you buy out of interest?What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
danp said:
DonkeyApple said:
The car I did finally manage to buy has superb leg room in the back, even with the driver's seat back where I want it and at the same time manages to deliver very much a two seater driving experience (more than often lost as most 2+2 are GTs) and is sufficiently rough and ready to be an 'experience' when used.
What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
What car did you buy out of interest?What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
Shnozz said:
danp said:
DonkeyApple said:
The car I did finally manage to buy has superb leg room in the back, even with the driver's seat back where I want it and at the same time manages to deliver very much a two seater driving experience (more than often lost as most 2+2 are GTs) and is sufficiently rough and ready to be an 'experience' when used.
What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
What car did you buy out of interest?What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
Shnozz said:
danp said:
DonkeyApple said:
The car I did finally manage to buy has superb leg room in the back, even with the driver's seat back where I want it and at the same time manages to deliver very much a two seater driving experience (more than often lost as most 2+2 are GTs) and is sufficiently rough and ready to be an 'experience' when used.
What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
What car did you buy out of interest?What I also learned about most of the modern 2+2 cars is that with all the practicality they had I lost the buzz of the sports car and found that I'd just grab the keys to a Rangie instead.
The Evora was the only car I found that was a 2+2 but completely retained the feel of a genuine sportscar. And even though I'm not a fan of its exterior the core reason I didn't buy one was because the rear seats just weren't useable.
The Recaros sit about two inches forward of the seat backs, reducing space even further and the car has a whole modified section inserted between the seat backs and the child seats so that they secure properly and safely.
Recently migrated from the childseat straps to harnesses:
Huge amount of space still left for the front occupants, the seats are fully back here:
More space than the Cerb, DB9 or XKR.
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