RE: Lotus Evora 400: Time For Tea?
Discussion
Glosole said:
more mid range torque would of been nice in the new 400 and its hard to see why it is more or less the same as an S unless it is mapped that way to preserve the drive train ?
I posted the exact same thought a while back - the torque is pretty much just the same - is it for the gearbox?Edited by Dr Jezz on Thursday 12th November 23:48
revgrectifier said:
What a sad car. I hope Lotus gets his stuff together because that market segment is dominated by Porsche. They really should make something special, not some reworked old car that was never really anything to write home about.
What a sad comment tbh. Assume you are just attention seeking, as you'd have to be pretty darn daft to actually believe it.I just did a 2200km over 2 days in my Evora 400 a couple of weeks ago, into the French Alps, on the mountain roads over the bumps round the twisty stuff its better than the old one,and that was very very good, making this ........ fantastic, it's fast enough believe me, if you can exploit all of this you are very good driver, and on the auto route you can cruise at 180-200kph keeping the revs down and fuel economy with it, a bigger fuel tank would nice Lotus !. So i think it's just perfect, as another owner commented 80% Mclaren at 50% of the price, go and try it see for yourself it's impossible to explain how good it really is and you wont believe me anyway.
I have owned both cars a starlight Black Evora S in which i did 20000 mls, and if i may add thoroughly regretted selling, But it was very difficult to get in and out of, trim wore out, bits fell off, but it drove beautifully probably one of the best drivers cars ever,Then I took delivery of my 400 2 weeks ago drove 2200 kms in the first 60hrs of ownership, I have no idea why anyone complains about the seat position, its comfortable no back problems, and i do not find it too high, but i drive laying back with steering wheel fully out very comfortable, Good job as i went from Brighton to Chamonix Mont-Blanc on the Italian border in one hit stopping for the tunnel and fuel, The dash is lower thats for sure your can see better, The sill is lower giving an an impression if you get out of one car into the other the seat is higher also with lower dash, the footwell is bigger more room for left foot, Steering is sharper question of taste but i think its an improvement, ride its still compliant but stiffer on 400, faster on a track and smooth continental roads, over very bumpy roads with pot holes, like in UK, The Evora S may have a slight edge as its softer, But my 400 is faster much faster, even after my Evora S had been to Komotech for upgrade and I ran Yokohoma semi slicks on the road,
The Evora 400 is better looking, better finshed, faster, The sharper steering I prefer, But then you could choose to listen to a journalist that did 50 miles in it, had never owned a Evora S, and who drives another companies courtesy car !!
The Evora 400 is better looking, better finshed, faster, The sharper steering I prefer, But then you could choose to listen to a journalist that did 50 miles in it, had never owned a Evora S, and who drives another companies courtesy car !!
Boggy said:
The only way I can describe it is if you drive an old Exige S, then drive the Exige S V6, chalk and cheese the Evora 400 is a proper bit of kit !
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I like this car an awful lot.
My brother owned a standard Evora, and I was blown away by the handling and especially the steering. The one thing I thought it needed was the gearing sorted. It was far too tall. Trim was not good either, but I know that's since been addressed.
One thought I had about the car was that it was so much better looking in the flesh than any picture I'd seen of it. It's something I can't explain, and the other car I feel is the same is the R8. Seems to be so much lower and wider than they appear in pictures. Does anyone else think this or am I just strange? lol!
Looking forward to seeing a 400 in the flesh and hearing it too. Sounds awesome.
The original 911 comment is just plain stupid.
My brother owned a standard Evora, and I was blown away by the handling and especially the steering. The one thing I thought it needed was the gearing sorted. It was far too tall. Trim was not good either, but I know that's since been addressed.
One thought I had about the car was that it was so much better looking in the flesh than any picture I'd seen of it. It's something I can't explain, and the other car I feel is the same is the R8. Seems to be so much lower and wider than they appear in pictures. Does anyone else think this or am I just strange? lol!
Looking forward to seeing a 400 in the flesh and hearing it too. Sounds awesome.
The original 911 comment is just plain stupid.
If PH is a good example of how a car is perceived by the wide "car people" audience, it seems to me that Lotus have turned something of a corner in terms of appeal. Go back two years and a thread about the Evora would be mostly people being negative about it with just the Lotus fan-boys being positive; these days the "neutrals" seem to be overwhelmingly positive with just a few Porsche fan-boys putting in negative posts.
I'm not sure if that's due to a change in Lotus's cars or the fact that the rest of the market is drifting further and further away from them, leaving them more space to do what they do best. Given that most of the "neutrals" have probably never even sat in an Evora let alone driven one, I'm guessing it's more the latter. It'll be interesting to see if it actually translates into sales.
I'm not sure if that's due to a change in Lotus's cars or the fact that the rest of the market is drifting further and further away from them, leaving them more space to do what they do best. Given that most of the "neutrals" have probably never even sat in an Evora let alone driven one, I'm guessing it's more the latter. It'll be interesting to see if it actually translates into sales.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th November 08:49
SevenR said:
One thought I had about the car was that it was so much better looking in the flesh than any picture I'd seen of it. It's something I can't explain, and the other car I feel is the same is the R8. Seems to be so much lower and wider than they appear in pictures. Does anyone else think this or am I just strange? lol!
Agreed, I have felt the same on the rare occasion I've seen one in the flesh. R8, less so. 
It was the same for me when I first saw a V6 Exige. I had misigivings about the styling when they were launched, but photos do not quite convey how small and low and awesome they are.
kambites said:
SevenR said:
Does anyone else think this or am I just strange? lol!
I always thought the Evora was a much better looking car in the metal, too. Arguably it's the biggest problem with the car - it looks crap in pictures and no-one ever actually sees the things to form another opinion. This hot version is glorious.
SevenR said:
The original 911 comment is just plain stupid.
In what way was my 911 comment "plain stupid"?The guy makes comment of Porsche dominating the sector, then berates Lotus for reworking an 'old' car, failing to acknowledge the fact that Porsches undoubted dominance is absolutely built around constantly reworking one model.
Calling the Evora 400 "sad" however I would say is plain stupid, and I doubt the poster has ever as much as stood next to one, never mind driven one. I think it's bout time that places like Pistonheads put a base spec 400 up against a base spec 911 on the track. (The real comparison between brands, not a Cayman) The base 911 is still considerably the more expensive car but that will have to be ignored as they would neeed to be taken in as standard form as possible, no extras. If the Carrera beats the 400 I will hold my hands up and say fair play, the better car won.
I can never understand why Lotus as a small scale manufacturer isn't given more credit for what they build in comparison to giants like Porsche, with a budget the Germans probably have in the canteen for coffee. No one is stupid enough to say Porsche haven't/don't currently/won't continue to build fantastic cars, of course they have/do, but the fact is there are other very good options out there and Lotus build one of them.
mikEsprit said:
RobM77 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
300bhp/ton said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Why 4.1 to 60 yet a 186mph top speed - surely it would have been better for marketing & pub bragging rights to get the 0-60 into the 3's?
Seriously??DonkeyApple said:
I'm inclined to agree with the point I think you are making. For owners and drivers it is a total irrelevance but as a tool for getting the product distributed and discussed more in social media etc it does have relevance. Top Trumps is a child's game but it's still an important one for brand recognition and promotion. As such, I can see the view that fitting it into the 3.x second club would have marked benefits, especially for Lotus who could benefit really well from an increased social media presence.
They went for a different '3' instead - 300km/h top speed. Low 4s for the 0-60 is still flipping quick so I don't see an issue personally. Still quicker than the GT4 Cayman, which obviously isn't 2+2 and costs £100k to buy today, and the non-S 911s.
I wonder how many new 911 buyers will make regular use of the car's maximum performance, e.g. full throttle to redline in gears 1/2/3? If a PDK 911 S is going to 0-60 in 3.7 or whatever, that is pace which will scare a lot of people!
dave_s13 said:
kambites said:
SevenR said:
Does anyone else think this or am I just strange? lol!
I always thought the Evora was a much better looking car in the metal, too. Arguably it's the biggest problem with the car - it looks crap in pictures and no-one ever actually sees the things to form another opinion. This hot version is glorious.
No you know I like many an American performance car, and the Vette does represent huge value for money, as well as a stonking car. But given the money (which sadly I don't have), I'd have an Evora -- any of them. They are my favourite sports car.
This colour would do... Honestly don't really know of any 'better' looking cars in my eyes. Certainly not newish ones.
kambites said:
If PH is a good example of how a car is perceived by the wide "car people" audience, it seems to me that Lotus have turned something of a corner in terms of appeal. Go back two years and a thread about the Evora would be mostly people being negative about it with just the Lotus fan-boys being positive; these days the "neutrals" seem to be overwhelmingly positive with just a few Porsche fan-boys putting in negative posts.
I'm not sure if that's due to a change in Lotus's cars or the fact that the rest of the market is drifting further and further away from them, leaving them more space to do what they do best. Given that most of the "neutrals" have probably never even sat in an Evora let alone driven one, I'm guessing it's more the latter. It'll be interesting to see if it actually translates into sales.
I'm not sure if that's due to a change in Lotus's cars or the fact that the rest of the market is drifting further and further away from them, leaving them more space to do what they do best. Given that most of the "neutrals" have probably never even sat in an Evora let alone driven one, I'm guessing it's more the latter. It'll be interesting to see if it actually translates into sales.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th November 08:49
That's a really good point. I think Lotus cars have steadily improved over the years in how they drive, and Porsches have deteriorated as they chase those 'luxury car' brand orientated sales. I think we're at a tipping point now where those of us who've driven both cars, prefer the Lotus and said so on forums and social media, have increased in number enough to start to turn the tide of general preference away from Porsche. Lotus know this, or at least my local dealer do, because they have a 'bums on seats' attitude to spreading the word (which is how I've driven most of their models!).
Exactly that. Lotus needs to get people through the showroom doors and into cars for test drives. It's pretty hard otherwise to sell a car that relies on its handling and control feels, etc. The Evora is (to most people) quite ugly, and Lotus is not a prestigious brand, so they need to get bums in seats. Not easy.
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