RE: Lotus Elise at 20: PH Heroes

RE: Lotus Elise at 20: PH Heroes

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RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Archimod said:
I'm very much enjoying the appreciation of these cars and its also heartening to see how many people like me have had theirs since new, as a car they just have something 'else' don't they!
They certainly do yes

Nice lurking skills by the way! biggrin

PeterGadsby

1,305 posts

163 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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NelsonP said:
PeterGadsby said:
Years ago I had a Lotus Elise S1 in the exact same colour as the car in the article (mustard yellow) ... I wonder where R417 FAV is now

- Pete
According to the MOT history site its still going strong, passing MOTs with aplomb and doing around 1000 mile pa (up to 48k now)
Thats good news, loved that car only got rid of it because it was my only car and I had to commute around the M25

- Pete

skatureliya

4 posts

101 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Leggy said:
skatureliya said:
AL5026 said:
There must have been a change in the heaters later on. I had a 2002 Elise sport 135, which never ever warmed up. I remember a particularly cold schlepp down the M1 from work and it was baltic. Bought an Exige new in 2009 and the heating was never an issue with it blowing nice and toasty very quickly. Night and day difference between the two.
I had the same 'poor heater' problem on my 2001 S2 Elise Sport 135 ... The way I got round this problem was to slow the air flow going into the heater matrix.. I did this by just removing the grill and squeezing 2 washing up sponges into the 2 inlets just behind the front grill .. get black ones or at least with the dark gren ones so they are not so visible .. Worked a treat, though a bit more whistly !!
Mines an '08 SC and the heater is excellent. Went out for a blast this morning in the frost and had to turn it down after a while.
Yeah..on these latest S3 elises its nice to see they have addressed so many of the niggles on the S2..HGF...rattly windows..A heater that heats.. Aircon to quickly demist windows..reasonably well sealed windows to keep moisture out in heavy rain..better headlamp indicator seal design...cleaner boot design (hidden wires etc)...sadly they are 150kg heavier.. and still have the odd no-so-bad niggles (inconsistent boot release/ rattly brake pads)....suppose u cant have it all.


kambites

67,552 posts

221 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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skatureliya said:
Yeah..on these latest S3 elises its nice to see they have addressed so many of the niggles on the S2..HGF...rattly windows..A heater that heats.. Aircon to quickly demist windows..reasonably well sealed windows to keep moisture out in heavy rain..better headlamp indicator seal design...cleaner boot design (hidden wires etc)...sadly they are 150kg heavier.. and still have the odd no-so-bad niggles (inconsistent boot release/ rattly brake pads)....suppose u cant have it all.
Hmm, apart from the head gasket bit, my earlyish S2 hasn't suffered from many of those problems - the windows don't rattle; the heater works fine once the engine is warm (I certainly can't leave it on full blast even when it's sub-zero outside); it's never leaked a drop; the lights don't let water in; I could have had air conditioning if I'd wanted it but I specifically found a car without it so I'm not sure if that one counts; the brakes don't rattle; and the boot release works fine (how can that fail, it's just a lock mounted on the boot)?

It's not without its niggles, certainly, but that list doesn't really much any relationship to them. smile

Esprit

6,370 posts

283 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Miss my old S1 badly. Third owner, was immaculate, had lived all its life here in NZ but was lovely minimalist spec with a nice set of magnesium rims when it was specc'd at Bell & Colvill. Sold it back to the original owner in 2007 who also missed it very much, and he still has it to this day. Thankfully I still have visitation rights and get to take it for a spin every now and then.

Sold it to get an Exige S1, which I still have, and it's even more intoxicating. I do just miss the easygoing nature of the Elise, it was a lot easier to enjoy than the Exige and a better car to steer most of the time.... the Exige is just an indulgence for that 10% of the time where you find yourself really able to exploit the extra nuttiness of the car.

bungle

1,874 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Damn these PH articles. Spent the last half hour looking at S1 Elise's now... always wanted one.

JezF

326 posts

228 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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On a country road or an Alps pass they are hard to beat for sheer fun - they simply come alive. Surprisingly practical too.

I've had four, currently enjoying a Cerbera, but I'll definately hAve another some time.

bungle

1,874 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Corranga said:
Love mine to bits. Bought it 8 years ago and doubt I'll ever part with it, as the years have gone on it's changed from a rough one to a great one, and just the way I want it smile

Love the colour. And looks great with a hardtop.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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bungle said:
Corranga said:
Love mine to bits. Bought it 8 years ago and doubt I'll ever part with it, as the years have gone on it's changed from a rough one to a great one, and just the way I want it smile

Love the colour. And looks great with a hardtop.
Yep, lovely looking thing. Personally I prefer the looks of the S1. Love the rear end with the twin exhausts smile

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Mine cloud9




SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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HeMightBeBanned said:
Mine cloud9



That looks lovely. I take it that it is not standard?

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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SidewaysSi said:
That looks lovely. I take it that it is not standard?
Thanks. It used to be gunmetal grey, but I had it resprayed pearlescent white with a burgundy stripe a couple of years ago. Gets lots of positive comments.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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HeMightBeBanned said:
SidewaysSi said:
That looks lovely. I take it that it is not standard?
Thanks. It used to be gunmetal grey, but I had it resprayed pearlescent white with a burgundy stripe a couple of years ago. Gets lots of positive comments.
What about mechanically? I seem to be spending an awful lot on upgrades to my S1. Still, it is cheaper and better to drive than most Porsches.

EX51GE R

1,381 posts

210 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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I've had in order,

An S1...



A green S2

An S2 Exige

Then S1 Exige...



And just picked up another S1 for swmbo...



Suffice to say I love lotus cars !

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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SidewaysSi said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
SidewaysSi said:
That looks lovely. I take it that it is not standard?
Thanks. It used to be gunmetal grey, but I had it resprayed pearlescent white with a burgundy stripe a couple of years ago. Gets lots of positive comments.
What about mechanically? I seem to be spending an awful lot on upgrades to my S1. Still, it is cheaper and better to drive than most Porsches.
Engine has a standard head, cams, valves, pistons and crank. ECU is standard too. Has a good 4-2-1 manifold, 52mm throttle body, and a free flowing exhaust. Makes 135bhp on a reputable rolling road. Gearbox is close ratio, spoiler is off a Sport 160. Dampers are S2 Bilsteins. It's a 'bitsa' but I love it smile

AER

1,142 posts

270 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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RobM77 said:
Having said that, a lot of highly respected engineers and professional racing drivers don't 'get' the Elise. I've spoken to many well known people in motorsport and R&H who fall into this category
The thing about the Elise is that they can be and are set up so differently either by accident or design. After driving my friend Mike's 340R, I was surprised how light, safe and easy it felt with all the controls - still a load of fun, whereas my car has pretty heavy but more direct steering and is very much more steerable by the throttle (which I like). Mike got a bit of a surprise with it at one point and backed off slightly, but in reality it's much more benign than it first feels, but the setup gives it a lot of mid-corner adjustability once you're used to it.

Main point here being that they are so configurable, that driving and judging one example doesn't really tell the full story of the breed.

simonrockman

6,849 posts

255 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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One of the things which made the S1 very special was the brakes. They were aluminium and had a bite like nothing I've encountered since.

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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simonrockman said:
One of the things which made the S1 very special was the brakes. They were aluminium and had a bite like nothing I've encountered since.
The MMC brakes that you're talking about didn't stay in production long before being replaced with steel items.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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HeMightBeBanned said:
simonrockman said:
One of the things which made the S1 very special was the brakes. They were aluminium and had a bite like nothing I've encountered since.
The MMC brakes that you're talking about didn't stay in production long before being replaced with steel items.
Indeed. Mine has ali belled EP discs, braided lines and RS42s. A very good combination.

zebedee

4,589 posts

278 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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A sublime car, would only sell mine (s1 111S) for an Evora, but only because I have 3 kids. So I basically need this classic to do what other classics have and escalate quickly in value! In other news, someone paid £60k-odd for an Escort RS Turbo...