unrealistic expectations of the used car market???
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Ghost91 said:
My cars are very well looked after mechanically, and aside from the classic saab I owned until recently which had the arches treated to prevent rust, there's no way I'd clean under arches of a car, and most people don't either. 1. Don't have time 2. Hardly the end of the world if a 12-13 year old car has a (very small, easily sortable) amount of cosmetic rust.
A good, clean overall condition and signs of care I.E a boot protector is an obvious indicator that the car has been looked after, no?
If it was a s
t choice then I'd be the first to criticise believe me.
Anyway, never mind.....
I'm sure it'll be fine Dan, all the best with it.
Trouble with not cleaning your arches is you trap moisture under mud/road debris and this rots the arch from the inside out.A good, clean overall condition and signs of care I.E a boot protector is an obvious indicator that the car has been looked after, no?
If it was a s
t choice then I'd be the first to criticise believe me.Anyway, never mind.....
I'm sure it'll be fine Dan, all the best with it.
steveo3002 said:
car without rotten arches /needing 100s of pounds of bodywork would be my signs its been looked after
Rust on a car <15 years old these days would be a no for me.
On the basis that few people buy a boot protector on a 'just incase' basis, I've always looked at them as being an indication that either a) the carpet underneath really needs to be hidden from prospective purchasers due to wear and tear, or b) the car's been used as a load lugger (worn suspension)/pet carrier (hairs and troublesome odours) to warrant buying the boot protector in the first place.
I hope the OP enjoys his new car, but I still think the Saab 9-5 would've been a good choice, just one that would've required patience or being a little less fussy over it being a post 2004 model.
egor110 said:
Trouble with not cleaning your arches is you trap moisture under mud/road debris and this rots the arch from the inside out.
Yes I know... Personally I've never had a car long enough for it to be an issue, and i certainly wouldn't be put off a perfectly good car with a FSH, in nice condition over some bubbles on the arches.
Ghost91 said:
egor110 said:
Trouble with not cleaning your arches is you trap moisture under mud/road debris and this rots the arch from the inside out.
Yes I know... Personally I've never had a car long enough for it to be an issue, and i certainly wouldn't be put off a perfectly good car with a FSH, in nice condition over some bubbles on the arches.
Not a problem if your only keeping it short term.
Ghost91 said:
Yes I know...
Personally I've never had a car long enough for it to be an issue, and i certainly wouldn't be put off a perfectly good car with a FSH, in nice condition over some bubbles on the arches.
This. Personally I've never had a car long enough for it to be an issue, and i certainly wouldn't be put off a perfectly good car with a FSH, in nice condition over some bubbles on the arches.
Most people with lives/families don't fastidiously clean their cars under the arches unless it's very special or particularly old.
There's no way you should be put off by a well looked after honda, the 2.4's aren't that common and it's hard enough finding a car with a decent history these days.
No the boot liner isn't a massive sign it's been looked after necessarily but nonetheless it shows the person who owned it doesn't mind spending out on something to keep the car in good fettle.
Few bubbles on the arches on an otherwise cracking car isn't anything to worry about, especially at that low price.
Much less potential bork than a Saab too might I add.
As much as I was hoping you'd go out and buy an old 5 series with knackered rear suspension to give us all a laugh, I'm glad you listened to the forum and got yourself a good car.
steveo3002 said:
does the purchase price + £600-1000 to have both arches done at some point still sound attractive?
or accept its a old car and leave it scabby ? will most likley never be a mot for a long time
Yes it does still seem attractive. Regardless of what else he could of had for the money, this fits the criteria perfectly, and as a car to keep for the next 5+ years (and fitting the strict criteria) it's perfect. Ticks every box and with the rust done properly it's still cheap enough for a keeper.or accept its a old car and leave it scabby ? will most likley never be a mot for a long time
steveo3002 said:
one comment for you OP if you decide the have the rust done make sure its cut out and new metal welded in , it wont be cheap but should last , dont be tempted to get a mobile driveway repair becuase its £80 as it wont last
either get it done well or leave it
I need to find out more about it, but can't I just replace the rear panel from a scrappy?either get it done well or leave it
I'll probably put some rust treatment on it in the short term to stop it getting worse until I decide what the best approach is. I was thinking I'd have a go at it myself, sanding it back, treating it and then spraying over. Obviously I can't be cutting out metal.
rear arches right? if yes then no its a welded on panel thats major work to replace or what any decent shop would do is cut out a small section of the arch and weld in new -big £££
not a great deal of point in brushing on rust treatments as its rotting from inside out
yeah sure its still a good car , wont snap in half anytime soon , but i cant help feel the purchase price plus £££ to repair it would get you into something that doesnt need the wheel arches repairing
not a great deal of point in brushing on rust treatments as its rotting from inside out
yeah sure its still a good car , wont snap in half anytime soon , but i cant help feel the purchase price plus £££ to repair it would get you into something that doesnt need the wheel arches repairing
I do the surface rust on our old 330 at home, and it lasted 5 years till we sold it and never reappeared. I did have it properly painted though to match the colour properly.
Literally just ground off the rust, treated it with rust remedy, bit of filler and sent it to the body shop for sanding properly and prime&paint.
It was only surface rust as I say.. But worked a treat, I'm sure you'll get people on here tell you it'll disintegrate if you do that though. If it is only bubbles then there isn't really any need to get the welder out.
Literally just ground off the rust, treated it with rust remedy, bit of filler and sent it to the body shop for sanding properly and prime&paint.
It was only surface rust as I say.. But worked a treat, I'm sure you'll get people on here tell you it'll disintegrate if you do that though. If it is only bubbles then there isn't really any need to get the welder out.
steveo3002 said:
thats great for you
bubbles arent surface rust , its rusting from inside out
Thanks for clearing that up Einstein. bubbles arent surface rust , its rusting from inside out
Depending on how much there is and if it is *just* bubbling, you can attack the rust from the outside and the inside, repair, respray. It's not hard and it's not right to say it won't last either if it's done properly.
Obviously if it's a large area then may as well cut it out.
Dan you have done yourself a favour by getting one of those, and I have every confidence that you will have many years of trouble-free motoring with it, don't listen to the stetalkers on here. So what if it does cost £600 to sort the arches out - you'll effectively have paid £2100 for a big, comfy, reliable, respectably quick estate that should see at least another 50k miles without too much trouble, doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Of course you'll get people who'll tell you you've overpaid and that they bought an estate for £100 that they've done a million miles in without once lifting the bonnet. I suggest you ignore them.
tetalkers on here. So what if it does cost £600 to sort the arches out - you'll effectively have paid £2100 for a big, comfy, reliable, respectably quick estate that should see at least another 50k miles without too much trouble, doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Of course you'll get people who'll tell you you've overpaid and that they bought an estate for £100 that they've done a million miles in without once lifting the bonnet. I suggest you ignore them.
steveo3002 said:
thats great for you
bubbles arent surface rust , its rusting from inside out
I disagree with this chap that it's a bad purchase, but I happen to agree on the rust. Get it done properly, especially if you intend on keeping it. bubbles arent surface rust , its rusting from inside out
Like someone above has said though, even if it does cost 600 odd quid it's still a good buy.
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