Bin men smashed my car up - What Car?
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lostkiwi said:
OP said:
not so raw that I'm going to dread the 4am commute in the mornings over winter
Just how is a BMW going to be good in the 4am winter commutes... like the Merc they struggle to move on anything thats remotely cold ground!They struggle in snow, but then so do plenty of cars.
Given that we don't actually get that much snow in this country I hardly think it's going to be an issue.
Whilst yes it's possible to drive a BMW in snow and ice the RWD fans have to admit that they're fundamentally not as effective in those conditions as something fwd. RWD cars generally have big fat tyres too, coupled with the weight balance it's naturally going to be harder to drive, but I concede - not impossible. Just depends how much you want the car.
I suppose it fits most people's perception of an involving drive but don't let it cloud your judgement of FWD cars, of which there are many good examples. You can still get a bad RWD car!
I suppose it fits most people's perception of an involving drive but don't let it cloud your judgement of FWD cars, of which there are many good examples. You can still get a bad RWD car!
C.A.R. said:
Whilst yes it's possible to drive a BMW in snow and ice the RWD fans have to admit that they're fundamentally not as effective in those conditions as something fwd. RWD cars generally have big fat tyres too, coupled with the weight balance it's naturally going to be harder to drive, but I concede - not impossible. Just depends how much you want the car.
I suppose it fits most people's perception of an involving drive but don't let it cloud your judgement of FWD cars, of which there are many good examples. You can still get a bad RWD car!
This exactly. If you check my garage you will see there has been a mix of all different vehicles - FWD, RWD and AWD. There is no question the RWD ones have been the ones to struggle most with grip in poor conditions and thats what I'm referring to. Yes you can use them in all weather but they are almost always at a disadvantage compared to non RWD vehicles (assuming like for like with respect to tyres - i.e winter tyres or summer tyres).I suppose it fits most people's perception of an involving drive but don't let it cloud your judgement of FWD cars, of which there are many good examples. You can still get a bad RWD car!
You can almost plot the locations I lived by vehicle types - i.e. areas with probability of snow were the ones where AWD was preferred and those with milder climates RWD.
Devil2575 said:
lostkiwi said:
OP said:
not so raw that I'm going to dread the 4am commute in the mornings over winter
Just how is a BMW going to be good in the 4am winter commutes... like the Merc they struggle to move on anything thats remotely cold ground!They struggle in snow, but then so do plenty of cars.
Given that we don't actually get that much snow in this country I hardly think it's going to be an issue.
If it snows, fit them and laugh at all the other drivers struggling in the snow.
Yes RWD is "worse" than FWD (which is then "worse" than AWD) in snow but really it's all about the contact with the road and for the very very few times it actually snows a set of snowsocks will get you where you want to go regardless of which wheels are driven.
AB57 said:
andy-xr said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-S60-2-4-auto-2005M...
Check that auto box though, they can be a bit troublesome. Easy enough to spot, move from park to drive and see if it takes a while to engage
What is this obsession with snow and getting RWD cars stuck all about??
According to the OP's profile he lives in Bristol, I live a few miles north and in the last 15 years there have been only a handful of occasions in which there has been enough snow to make me think twice about driving.
Ice on the other hand is more likely at 4am and from my understanding of ice it doesn't matter which wheels or how many are receiving drive once you start skidding!
According to the OP's profile he lives in Bristol, I live a few miles north and in the last 15 years there have been only a handful of occasions in which there has been enough snow to make me think twice about driving.
Ice on the other hand is more likely at 4am and from my understanding of ice it doesn't matter which wheels or how many are receiving drive once you start skidding!
aka_kerrly said:
What is this obsession with snow and getting RWD cars stuck all about??
According to the OP's profile he lives in Bristol, I live a few miles north and in the last 15 years there have been only a handful of occasions in which there has been enough snow to make me think twice about driving.
Ice on the other hand is more likely at 4am and from my understanding of ice it doesn't matter which wheels or how many are receiving drive once you start skidding!
Thanks for noticing! Yeah snow is not so much of an issue to be honest. Think I haven't been able to drive due to snow 8 times since I was 18? I'm 23 by the way. Volvo sounds nice for a gap filler but I was hoping to get a Subaru Impreza WRX by the end of next year. Maybe this is a sign?According to the OP's profile he lives in Bristol, I live a few miles north and in the last 15 years there have been only a handful of occasions in which there has been enough snow to make me think twice about driving.
Ice on the other hand is more likely at 4am and from my understanding of ice it doesn't matter which wheels or how many are receiving drive once you start skidding!
Its wide sports tyres that are the biggest problem, rather than which powered axle. The only issue I had with my BMW was with standing starts uphill on compacted snow. Other than that it was a barrel of laughs sliding it around. I've had the same lack of traction issues with FWD cars on sporty/summer tyres.
Never had a problem when i had my E34 520i , had normal tyres for there time - Uniroyal 440. Never got stuck and would often go straight past other cars in the snow ( MKs dual carriageways)
Saab like a Vectra? Not even remotely similar in their build or drive.
Saab like a Vectra? Not even remotely similar in their build or drive.
AB57 said:
lostkiwi said:
Whats with the current PH obsession with Saabs?
I'm getting rid of mine!
This. What I've read they sound like vamped up vectras?I'm getting rid of mine!
Axionknight said:
lostkiwi said:
AyBee said:
Fastdruid said:
Mazda 6 MPS
I think they've pretty much hit the bottom of the depreciation curve as well. The nearest mileage/year to ours on autotrader is up for only £350 less than we paid for ours nearly 4 years ago!
AB57 said:
I'm 23 by the way. Volvo sounds nice for a gap filler but I was hoping to get a Subaru Impreza WRX by the end of next year. Maybe this is a sign?
Bold parts, you are 23 and have already been considering a Impreza WRX - if this insurance isn't an issue then DO IT get one now, there will be plenty of time in the future for you to buy a boring as hell Volvo or Saab when you have to worry about children/car seats an other guff like that where as there will be no more "proper" Impreza WRXs.Your budget should get you into a 2003> "blobeye"
aka_kerrly said:
Bold parts, you are 23 and have already been considering a Impreza WRX - if this insurance isn't an issue then DO IT get one now, there will be plenty of time in the future for you to buy a boring as hell Volvo or Saab when you have to worry about children/car seats an other guff like that where as there will be no more "proper" Impreza WRXs.
Your budget should get you into a 2003> "blobeye"
I've been dying for one, however I put getting a house priority, got 13k already so realistically I could start saving for one end of next year. However I feel this could be a great opportunity to get one now. It's only 1k a year of insurance so it's not that bad, and blobeye all the way Your budget should get you into a 2003> "blobeye"
Any idea what price and mileage I should be looking @ for a blobeye?
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