Are Range Rovers in fact rubbish?
Discussion
Willy Nilly said:
Jimmy Recard said:
And it may not be a Range Rover, but I was very glad of having my Discovery 4 only yesterday collecting my father from the wrong side of a bog after a nasty fall.
That must be a big bath room.A colleague has a D3 and said you get used to various warning lights and error codes showing every time you drive it. It decided to die on his drive from a failed alternator, which was about a £1000 claim on his warranty. I put a new wiper blade on my Jazz a few months ago.
surveyor said:
Willy Nilly said:
Jimmy Recard said:
And it may not be a Range Rover, but I was very glad of having my Discovery 4 only yesterday collecting my father from the wrong side of a bog after a nasty fall.
That must be a big bath room.A colleague has a D3 and said you get used to various warning lights and error codes showing every time you drive it. It decided to die on his drive from a failed alternator, which was about a £1000 claim on his warranty. I put a new wiper blade on my Jazz a few months ago.
Parisien said:
Just to give personal anecdotal support to my expressed view on the first page. In the time I've had my P38 I had to repair/replace the following. When I bought it I gave it a full service including gearbox, had only done 60k miles in its life with FLRSH
All airbags,
Airlines
2 Height sensors
2 brake calipers
Air compressor
Repair to air valves
Leak to heater system
Most of exhaust
Every 2-300 miles the air suspension failure lights came on, for no apparent reason ( sometimes I could reset if not off to indie specialist garage)
Plus a few other bits and bobs, all in just 6k odd miles
P
Take it you wouldn't recommend then? I've always fancied a P38 but it's the V8 engine issues that have put me off.All airbags,
Airlines
2 Height sensors
2 brake calipers
Air compressor
Repair to air valves
Leak to heater system
Most of exhaust
Every 2-300 miles the air suspension failure lights came on, for no apparent reason ( sometimes I could reset if not off to indie specialist garage)
Plus a few other bits and bobs, all in just 6k odd miles
P
Lets also not forget that Americans get ripped off blind.
The transmission bill for $2000?
The sleeve is £10.
The filter is £80
The fluid is £80
The labour is 2 hours at £100.
On the cheap you can just do the sleeve and reuse the fluid and old filter. So worst case £270, cheap case £110. Honestly.
The transmission bill for $2000?
The sleeve is £10.
The filter is £80
The fluid is £80
The labour is 2 hours at £100.
On the cheap you can just do the sleeve and reuse the fluid and old filter. So worst case £270, cheap case £110. Honestly.
Willy Nilly said:
surveyor said:
Willy Nilly said:
Jimmy Recard said:
And it may not be a Range Rover, but I was very glad of having my Discovery 4 only yesterday collecting my father from the wrong side of a bog after a nasty fall.
That must be a big bath room.A colleague has a D3 and said you get used to various warning lights and error codes showing every time you drive it. It decided to die on his drive from a failed alternator, which was about a £1000 claim on his warranty. I put a new wiper blade on my Jazz a few months ago.
kambites said:
In terms of build quality and/or reliability I think they're on a par with the German marques these days, which is to say they're about average across the market as a whole.
To quote a Range Rover dealer: "Sir, if you're used to Mercedes or BMW then you'll need to lower your expectations of quality if you buy a Range Rover." Worrying.
I admit that I'm biased, as the first car I ever drove was a Range Rover. (Admittedly, I was 6 and had rolled it off a driveway whilst I was playing cars).
I have no need for a big, heavy, thirsty and wallowy off-roader, but I want one more than any other car on the market. Preferably a 5.0 Supercharged V8 with no tinted windows. Navy blue with light interior or Brown/Bronze with a brown interior.
Why? I love that when you in them and turn the key, there's an irrepressible sense that if you wanted to, you could drive to the Arctic Circle and be completely oblivious to the outside world, stopping off at the poshest and fanciest hotels along the way and not look out of place. They're classless and brilliant and once you've had one, I doubt anything else would cut the mustard as a daily.
Okay, they cost money to service. Find me a premium car in any sector that doesn't. Accept it's going to cost you a grand a year or so in maintenance and enjoy it.
I have no need for a big, heavy, thirsty and wallowy off-roader, but I want one more than any other car on the market. Preferably a 5.0 Supercharged V8 with no tinted windows. Navy blue with light interior or Brown/Bronze with a brown interior.
Why? I love that when you in them and turn the key, there's an irrepressible sense that if you wanted to, you could drive to the Arctic Circle and be completely oblivious to the outside world, stopping off at the poshest and fanciest hotels along the way and not look out of place. They're classless and brilliant and once you've had one, I doubt anything else would cut the mustard as a daily.
Okay, they cost money to service. Find me a premium car in any sector that doesn't. Accept it's going to cost you a grand a year or so in maintenance and enjoy it.
That jd power survey has got to be tosh, vw skoda seat and Volkswagen are all the same brand sharing parts and yet have massively different reliability results.
Apparently a Land Rover will be more reliable than an Audi - which only bolsters my man maths decision to get a Range Rover instead of my current steed
Apparently a Land Rover will be more reliable than an Audi - which only bolsters my man maths decision to get a Range Rover instead of my current steed
doogz said:
Willy Nilly said:
That must be a big bath room.
A colleague has a D3 and said you get used to various warning lights and error codes showing every time you drive it. It decided to die on his drive from a failed alternator, which was about a £1000 claim on his warranty. I put a new wiper blade on my Jazz a few months ago.
Jesus, you talk a lot of crap.A colleague has a D3 and said you get used to various warning lights and error codes showing every time you drive it. It decided to die on his drive from a failed alternator, which was about a £1000 claim on his warranty. I put a new wiper blade on my Jazz a few months ago.
hman said:
That jd power survey has got to be tosh, vw skoda seat and Volkswagen are all the same brand sharing parts and yet have massively different reliability results.
IIRC, the explanation was that audi get the parts first and Skoda last, by the time they have filtered down to Skoda any bugs have been worked out in the main. Also, I recall being told that even though a Golf an Octavia were effectively the same car and had the same engine, there was more room in the Octavia engine bay which meant the DPF could be located closer to the engine which meant it stayed hotter and was less trouble than in a Golf. JD Power is a customer satisfaction survey not a reliability one. Skoda drivers have lower expectations (and Skoda probably have better customer service).
The Octavia engine bay is mostly identical to the Golf one, at least comparing the mk5 Golf to the mk2 Octavia.
The Octavia engine bay is mostly identical to the Golf one, at least comparing the mk5 Golf to the mk2 Octavia.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 25th November 19:09
TurboHatchback said:
The Range Rover is a luxury car with a modicum of off-road ability, it's clearly a much better drive on the road than the Japanese 4x4s but you wouldn't take one on an expedition or use it constantly off-road as they're not designed for that sort of usage.
I can't speak for the later models, but of the mid-90s versions I've driven the Patrol is s far better drive on-road as well as off. The RR felt about a ton heavier in the corners.The RR was quieter and more luxurious (and the V8 made a nice noise), but it was better as a passenger than as a driver.
Can we stop replying to willy nilly and his anti 4x4 views? Everyone needs a tractor for offroading or a hgv if you need to tow a car.
If you dont know why people keep saying this about him, read this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He is deluded and of course I should of drive a hgv on a 1200 mile round trip to collect my e30 bmw yesterday. My Range Rover flipped 22 times and I died 15 times while blinding and running people off the road in my menance to society!! Oh and its terrible on fuel getting 28mpg avg towing a trailer + car.
If you dont know why people keep saying this about him, read this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He is deluded and of course I should of drive a hgv on a 1200 mile round trip to collect my e30 bmw yesterday. My Range Rover flipped 22 times and I died 15 times while blinding and running people off the road in my menance to society!! Oh and its terrible on fuel getting 28mpg avg towing a trailer + car.
A very long standing friend of a friend was until recently an after sales manager at a JLR dealership. He talked to us at length about the common problems, most of which another friend with a RR sport had experienced - suspension, wheel bearings etc etc.
They knew the common problems so well that when ordering suspension pumps for example they didn't order them individually but 50 at a time, knowing full well that they'd sell them. The odd thing is that he got to know some of his customers so well due to their unintended visits to the dealership that they almost became friends! They would also be repeat buyers!
I will allow anyone reading this to draw their own conclusions.
They knew the common problems so well that when ordering suspension pumps for example they didn't order them individually but 50 at a time, knowing full well that they'd sell them. The odd thing is that he got to know some of his customers so well due to their unintended visits to the dealership that they almost became friends! They would also be repeat buyers!
I will allow anyone reading this to draw their own conclusions.
acme said:
They knew the common problems so well that when ordering suspension pumps for example they didn't order them individually but 50 at a time, knowing full well that they'd sell them.
Rubbish. I have never required a component that was even remotely in stock. In fact usually they are on back order and on more than one occasion had to be sourced from the production line.
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