Are Range Rovers in fact rubbish?
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abitlikefiennes said:
k-ink said:
If this is the shocking reliability you get with the finest factory prepared brand new examples, just wow. Good luck with used ones!!
You could argue that the used ones will have had the factory-fitted faults corrected by the previous owners.I think buying a 2-year old Range Rover with high or average miles is fairly safe. I would avoid like herpes a 6-9 month old car from a main dealer because it might well be a lemon rejected by someone else or from an undesirable source.
My parents are on their 8th Range Rover over 30 years. One was an utter dog and it was a P38. The P38 they had after it was the best Range Rover out of the lot, not a single issue in 90,000 miles.
Perhaps you get friday afternoon cars more often than other makes, but the rest of them are fine.
Perhaps you get friday afternoon cars more often than other makes, but the rest of them are fine.
13m said:
I went to the launch of the new Range Rover at Grimsthorpe Castle. It was a superb day and the best marketing event I've been to ever.
We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
The centre console lid isnt automatic...!We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
They aren't amazingly reliable, but nor was a brand new M6 I bought in 2014. Main difference is that LR put you into a like for like car and get it booked in same day for important things, whereas BMW stuck me in a 1 series plastered in stickers and didn't have the setup to get a same day courtesy car, even for important issues.
I don't expect the car to be perfect, even Rolls Royces go wrong! But on a £100k car they need to make sure they handle the fix well, in my experience for important stuff they are very good, for minor stuff pretty average.
sealtt said:
13m said:
I went to the launch of the new Range Rover at Grimsthorpe Castle. It was a superb day and the best marketing event I've been to ever.
We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
The centre console lid isnt automatic...!We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
They aren't amazingly reliable, but nor was a brand new M6 I bought in 2014. Main difference is that LR put you into a like for like car and get it booked in same day for important things, whereas BMW stuck me in a 1 series plastered in stickers and didn't have the setup to get a same day courtesy car, even for important issues.
I don't expect the car to be perfect, even Rolls Royces go wrong! But on a £100k car they need to make sure they handle the fix well, in my experience for important stuff they are very good, for minor stuff pretty average.
13m said:
This one was, or at least the lid of whatever was between the seats was. It had (as I recall) an X-Box or other games installation in there, towards the rear. I tried ordering one when I specced up a new Range Rover a while back and I was told that it wasn't and never had been available. I wonder whether the launch cars had some stuff that wasn't actually subsequently sold.
Sounds like you had a pimp my ride version!KAgantua said:
The mad thing is theres thousands upon thousands of 'vloggers' on YT doing this - lots of annoying videos that are OTT perky, laced with a sarcastic sheen that everything has these days all the while spouting nonsense about subjects noone gives a hoot about.
Dashcammers are the same, but without the perkiness/ sarcasm. Dashcammers are very serious and see the world in black and white/ 1's and 0's....
To give Doug DeMuro his due, he's not some 'car spotter' vlogger living in his mum's basement - he's a columnist for Jalopnik amongst others, and quite an amusing one too. Dashcammers are the same, but without the perkiness/ sarcasm. Dashcammers are very serious and see the world in black and white/ 1's and 0's....
His videos aren't as good as his writing, but a few of them are quite funny.
MajorMantra said:
To give Doug DeMuro his due, he's not some 'car spotter' vlogger living in his mum's basement - he's a columnist for Jalopnik amongst others, and quite an amusing one too.
His videos aren't as good as his writing, but a few of them are quite funny.
I thought that that's pretty much what a Jalopnik writer is? It's hardly a blue chip journal - I can't recall any interesting or particularly good articles there.His videos aren't as good as his writing, but a few of them are quite funny.
And I've seen some of Doug DeMuro's videos - he comes across as reasonably intelligent but very dull, trying hard to be fun.
He also has that stupid and annoying habit of describing a car as a 'daily driver'. A car is driven BY a driver.
Jimmy Recard said:
I thought that that's pretty much what a Jalopnik writer is? It's hardly a blue chip journal - I can't recall any interesting or particularly good articles there.
Each to their own. I spend way more time on Jalopnik than on PH, and overall I find it a far more engaging, lively website. It's also the biggest car site in the world AFAIK.Jimmy Recard said:
And I've seen some of Doug DeMuro's videos - he comes across as reasonably intelligent but very dull, trying hard to be fun.
He also has that stupid and annoying habit of describing a car as a 'daily driver'. A car is driven BY a driver.
"Daily driver" is a commonly used expression in US car enthusiast circles, so you can hardly blame him for that.He also has that stupid and annoying habit of describing a car as a 'daily driver'. A car is driven BY a driver.
Sump said:
Can we all lay off Willy Nilly please. He drives a Jazz FFS. I'd be doing far more bashing of 4x4s if I was stuck with that bag of s
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I wanted a small, practical, reliable car and have one which is all of those things. I get to drive, large, heavy, expensive, complex, sophisticated, heavy duty stuff at work that talks the talk and can walk the walk. I have no more need for an unreliable 4x4 than I have for a pet elephant. t.Willy Nilly said:
I wanted a small, practical, reliable car and have one which is all of those things. I get to drive, large, heavy, expensive, complex, sophisticated, heavy duty stuff at work that talks the talk and can walk the walk. I have no more need for an unreliable 4x4 than I have for a pet elephant.
I've never had an unreliable 4x4.I've had Range Rovers and a Discovery though
Jimmy Recard said:
egor110 said:
It refers to a car used daily for commuting/shopping rather than a garage queen that only comes out in ideal conditions.
But a car is in no way a 'driver'.Seriously, everyone else gets what a daily driver is.
How do you cope with garage queen ( a metal object can't be royalty) or say pocket rocket ( you can't put a car in your pocket not even a tiny smart car)
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