Are Range Rovers in fact rubbish?

[Fittster]

lostkiwi said:

Fittster said:

If Ranger Rovers are reliable as the owners state why do they fair so badly in reliability surveys?

(and saying a Ranger Rover is more reliable than a BMW doesn't actually prove its reliable).

Surveys like JD Power and such like are often very subjective and can be skewed by peoples perceptions and expectations.
For example someone may thing its perfectly acceptable for a £15k car to have a manufacturing fault but its not ok in a £50k car even though its ten times more complex.

There are certainly limitation around JD Power surveys and the like but they have to rank above anecdotal posts on the internet which are either A. It's the greatest car ever made or B. They are terrible, scrap them all and bomb the factory.

[HannsG]

Is there a petrol variant with 30mpg capability yet?

Sick of diesels.

[Sump]

k-ink said:

It's probably not so much abandoned Range Rovers everywhere. More like abandoned wallets

We get it, you are poor, let it go

[djt100]

I've no string feelings either way regards to RR products. But objectively,What makes them better for long distance driving than say a S class or 7 Series ? As this seems to be what people use them for*

Unless you live in weybridge then it's just for the school run.

[k-ink]

Sump said:

We get it, you are poor, let it go

Yep, house all paid for, car all paid for. Pretty much broke

[GetCarter]

djt100 said:

I've no string feelings either way regards to RR products. But objectively,What makes them better for long distance driving than say a S class or 7 Series ? As this seems to be what people use them for*

Unless you live in weybridge then it's just for the school run.

Some of us don't use them on school runs, or motorways!

[Sump]

k-ink said:

Sump said:

We get it, you are poor, let it go

Yep, house all paid for, car all paid for. Pretty much broke

Your definition of not being poor is your house and car being paid off

[djt100]

GetCarter said:

Some of us don't use them on school runs, or motorways!

I know but i bet 85% of people don't even use them in that way and I firmly believe that they are not really designed for that anymore but more of a Luxury car. So wondered why people buy them over normal cars ? Not a criticism just genuinely wondered?

[lostkiwi]

djt100 said:

I've no string feelings either way regards to RR products. But objectively,What makes them better for long distance driving than say a S class or 7 Series ? As this seems to be what people use them for*

Unless you live in weybridge then it's just for the school run.

You sit higher so can see over hedgerows. They have long travel suspension so soak up the bumps very well. Evoque aside they have large interiors (RR is MUCH larger than any estate inside). They can tow more (3500kg limit). They will cope with almost any unexpected weather conditions. And they're a nice relaxing place to be.

[IroningMan]

lostkiwi said:

You sit higher so can see over hedgerows. They have long travel suspension so soak up the bumps very well. Evoque aside they have large interiors (RR is MUCH larger than any estate inside). They can tow more (3500kg limit). They will cope with almost any unexpected weather conditions. And they're a nice relaxing place to be.

As a private ownership prospect they knock spots of a 7 series, XJ, A8 or S-Class saloon in pretty much every respect.

[lostkiwi]

IroningMan said:

lostkiwi said:

You sit higher so can see over hedgerows. They have long travel suspension so soak up the bumps very well. Evoque aside they have large interiors (RR is MUCH larger than any estate inside). They can tow more (3500kg limit). They will cope with almost any unexpected weather conditions. And they're a nice relaxing place to be.

As a private ownership prospect they knock spots of a 7 series, XJ, A8 or S-Class saloon in pretty much every respect.

Arguably other than cornering.

[poocherama]

djt100 said:

I've no string feelings either way regards to RR products. But objectively,What makes them better for long distance driving than say a S class or 7 Series ? As this seems to be what people use them for*

Unless you live in weybridge then it's just for the school run.

The main difference for me is the higher driving position, people seem to love it hence the proliferation of 'soft roaders'. The space in the rear is also vast compared to my old e-class. I'd also feel like I worked for car service driving either of the above.

I tested all the competition before I bought a RR, none of them had the same sense of occasion, though many were clearly better put together.

[anonymous-user]

lostkiwi said:

djt100 said:

I've no string feelings either way regards to RR products. But objectively,What makes them better for long distance driving than say a S class or 7 Series ? As this seems to be what people use them for*

Unless you live in weybridge then it's just for the school run.

You sit higher so can see over hedgerows. They have long travel suspension so soak up the bumps very well. Evoque aside they have large interiors (RR is MUCH larger than any estate inside). They can tow more (3500kg limit). They will cope with almost any unexpected weather conditions. And they're a nice relaxing place to be.

Can I add; you don't get dazzled by headlights at night as much. The spray from traffic in the wet doesn't affect the vision as much. You can see further and anticipate the traffic ahead better, which in turn keeps you calm when you know what's happening at the front of the queue. You can turn up anywhere in it. They are stupidly comfortable and immensely capable. The toys are great and I still think that being able to watch DVD's in a car is incredible (i'm easily impressed).

I moved from a far-from-uncomfortable S8 into a RR recently and I'd now prefer to do a long distance drive in the latter. It's a lot slower but that's not a bad thing. I feel my driving style has changed for the better.

[colonel c]

djt100 said:

I know but i bet 85% of people don't even use them in that way and I firmly believe that they are not really designed for that anymore but more of a Luxury car. So wondered why people buy them over normal cars ? Not a criticism just genuinely wondered?

But they are still designed for that. If owners choose not to s their vehicles for anything more strenuous than the stereotypical school-run, so what? Many performance cars are never driven anywhere near their top speed or cornering limits. Pay your money and take your choice. I'd choose a Range Rover or Disco every time.
My experience over the last 20 odd years of Range Rovers and Disco have been relative positive regarding reliability. However as a proud new owner of a more modem (to me) RRS, perhaps I may have to review that in the months or years to come. So far though, so good. I love it.

[Pickled Piper]

Range Rovers rate highly on Customer Satisfaction surveys i.e. the owners love them. They rate poorly on absolute reliability surveys.

I think this thread is just corroborating the above.

[AW111]

lostkiwi said:

Surveys like JD Power and such like are often very subjective and can be skewed by peoples perceptions and expectations.
For example someone may thing its perfectly acceptable for a £15k car to have a manufacturing fault but its not ok in a £50k car even though its ten times more complex.

A £50k car is nothing like 10x as complex as a £15k one, and yes, I would hold it to a higher standard.

[k-ink]

Sump said:

Your definition of not being poor is your house and car being paid off

I never claimed to be rich. However I'm hardly selling the Big Issue. Apologies your Lordship.

[Willy Nilly]

HannsG said:

Is there a petrol variant with 30mpg capability yet?

Sick of diesels.

How are you going to get 30mpg in a vehicle that weighs 2.5 tonnes, is 4wd, automatic and has the aerodynamics of a shed? If fuel consumption is an issue, then a Range Rover probably isn't the right car for you.

[AnotherClarkey]

Willy Nilly said:

HannsG said:

Is there a petrol variant with 30mpg capability yet?

Sick of diesels.

How are you going to get 30mpg in a vehicle that weighs 2.5 tonnes, is 4wd, automatic and has the aerodynamics of a shed? If fuel consumption is an issue, then a Range Rover probably isn't the right car for you.

Lexus manage it.

[Slow]

AnotherClarkey said:

Willy Nilly said:

HannsG said:

Is there a petrol variant with 30mpg capability yet?

Sick of diesels.

How are you going to get 30mpg in a vehicle that weighs 2.5 tonnes, is 4wd, automatic and has the aerodynamics of a shed? If fuel consumption is an issue, then a Range Rover probably isn't the right car for you.

Lexus manage it.

Lexus wont tow 3.5ton, believe they are down at 2ton like estates. No where near as nice inside and doesnt have the aerodynamics of a shed.