RE: Golf GTI laid bare
Discussion
Msportman said:
Incidentally my observations are that having been racing GTI's in saloon car series around the UK and 'tracking' cars for well over 25 years the Golf GTI particularly in MK1,2 4 and 5 have been popular and successful track cars all over the UK and Europe.The notion that many customers don't track them is just incorrect. There is a huge GTI track day scene in Europe as a whole which VW seem to leave to the aftermarket industry to take up the slack. VW racing will happily supply new GTI owners far more hardcore options from the Milton Keynes base.
The Berg Cup and VW Cup racing has had a huge knock on effect for the tuning industry and serious track enthusiasts. Even by today's standards a well sorted MK2 GTI 16v tuned to 200bhp weighing in at 1000 kilos diff and sticky rubber punches well above its weight on circuit. The chassis are sublime! As with most new products and they can always be improved upon for track..... Trouble is .VW have never taken the opportunity for a hardcore track focused GTI.
Even so this Clubsport can be tracked and I'm sure that a few may tweak it here and there.
I find that the new 7R is too compromised in some areas for circuit use compared to a FWD wi h mechanical diff and some more camber but as an everyday road car it's a proper B road blast
I've been looking at the 7R as a 500 bhp manual track car build using the best and latest par s available but also making some compromises for family duties.......there's a lot in the pipeline from APR and Revo , MTM
I can attest to this. I have a well modified mk5 Pirelli with all the right parts (including a Wavetrac LSD) with 330bhp, It's a solid performer on track and handles well thanks to Bilstein suspension, Eibach ARB and spring sets, AP 6 piston calipers with floating rotors, light weight wheels and TTRS arms givivng -2.85 camber. With Michelin PSS tyres it has a staggering amount of grip. I've only added what it needed to meet the spec and make it reliable under all conditions, otherwise standard wherever possible and can be returned standard. Numerous track days done and absolutely no weaknesses and never seen a warning light. The Berg Cup and VW Cup racing has had a huge knock on effect for the tuning industry and serious track enthusiasts. Even by today's standards a well sorted MK2 GTI 16v tuned to 200bhp weighing in at 1000 kilos diff and sticky rubber punches well above its weight on circuit. The chassis are sublime! As with most new products and they can always be improved upon for track..... Trouble is .VW have never taken the opportunity for a hardcore track focused GTI.
Even so this Clubsport can be tracked and I'm sure that a few may tweak it here and there.
I find that the new 7R is too compromised in some areas for circuit use compared to a FWD wi h mechanical diff and some more camber but as an everyday road car it's a proper B road blast
I've been looking at the 7R as a 500 bhp manual track car build using the best and latest par s available but also making some compromises for family duties.......there's a lot in the pipeline from APR and Revo , MTM
Edited by Msportman on Saturday 28th November 09:29
Edited by Msportman on Saturday 28th November 09:35
My only issue is what I would buy next. There'll be some very big boots to fill but fortunately some time off yet. I'm not convinced that 4wd would be my way forward and I certainly don't think that the Clubsport is it without significant spending. As a car to look at I think it's great though and it would get to an ideal spec with some investment.
Edited by ash reynolds on Saturday 28th November 12:00
As some one who drives a MKV gti as a daily, this is definitely something that I would love. Whilst the name clubsport is undoubtedly bonkers, it's only marketing and if someone buys this expecting a full on lightweight track animal then it's not VW I would blame. Would I like one ? Oh yes, very much.
ash reynolds said:
Msportman said:
Incidentally my observations are that having been racing GTI's in saloon car series around the UK and 'tracking' cars for well over 25 years the Golf GTI particularly in MK1,2 4 and 5 have been popular and successful track cars all over the UK and Europe.The notion that many customers don't track them is just incorrect. There is a huge GTI track day scene in Europe as a whole which VW seem to leave to the aftermarket industry to take up the slack. VW racing will happily supply new GTI owners far more hardcore options from the Milton Keynes base.
The Berg Cup and VW Cup racing has had a huge knock on effect for the tuning industry and serious track enthusiasts. Even by today's standards a well sorted MK2 GTI 16v tuned to 200bhp weighing in at 1000 kilos diff and sticky rubber punches well above its weight on circuit. The chassis are sublime! As with most new products and they can always be improved upon for track..... Trouble is .VW have never taken the opportunity for a hardcore track focused GTI.
Even so this Clubsport can be tracked and I'm sure that a few may tweak it here and there.
I find that the new 7R is too compromised in some areas for circuit use compared to a FWD wi h mechanical diff and some more camber but as an everyday road car it's a proper B road blast
I've been looking at the 7R as a 500 bhp manual track car build using the best and latest par s available but also making some compromises for family duties.......there's a lot in the pipeline from APR and Revo , MTM
I can attest to this. I have a well modified mk5 Pirelli with all the right parts (including a Wavetrac LSD) with 330bhp, It's a solid performer on track and handles well thanks to Bilstein suspension, Eibach ARB and spring sets, AP 6 piston calipers with floating rotors, light weight wheels and TTRS arms givivng -2.85 camber. With Michelin PSS tyres it has a staggering amount of grip. I've only added what it needed to meet the spec and make it reliable under all conditions, otherwise standard wherever possible and can be returned standard. Numerous track days done and absolutely no weaknesses and never seen a warning light. The Berg Cup and VW Cup racing has had a huge knock on effect for the tuning industry and serious track enthusiasts. Even by today's standards a well sorted MK2 GTI 16v tuned to 200bhp weighing in at 1000 kilos diff and sticky rubber punches well above its weight on circuit. The chassis are sublime! As with most new products and they can always be improved upon for track..... Trouble is .VW have never taken the opportunity for a hardcore track focused GTI.
Even so this Clubsport can be tracked and I'm sure that a few may tweak it here and there.
I find that the new 7R is too compromised in some areas for circuit use compared to a FWD wi h mechanical diff and some more camber but as an everyday road car it's a proper B road blast
I've been looking at the 7R as a 500 bhp manual track car build using the best and latest par s available but also making some compromises for family duties.......there's a lot in the pipeline from APR and Revo , MTM
Edited by Msportman on Saturday 28th November 09:29
Edited by Msportman on Saturday 28th November 09:35
My only issue is what I would buy next. There'll be some very big boots to fill but fortunately some time off yet. I'm not convinced that 4wd would be my way forward and I certainly don't think that the Clubsport is it without significant spending. As a car to look at I think it's great though and it would get to an ideal spec with some investment.
Edited by ash reynolds on Saturday 28th November 12:00
The Edition 30 ( my third example) can be made a real weapon for track relatively if quite expensive using the correct parts. I run KW Clubsports with 2 degree negative with that kit. Next on the list is the diff.
I run TSR's saloon car set up on brakes I've 356 mm 8 pot floaters
Rear ARB and anti lift
It was a 9k car and I have invested a fair chunk but it's all worth it in the end and allot cheaper than a R or S3 with similar platforms.
The Haldex is too compromised for hardcore track use......it's good in certain areas but the feel and feed back and pesky electronic intervention lets the side down especially on competition rubber or Inters.
The Clubsport will tick many peoples boxes but not mine as I'd not want to butcher an expensive limited ed model for track times. Better off sticking to a MK5
I am eager to try the new RS though.......it maybe on the wish list at some stage
stevesingo said:
They could have done a stripped out track focussed 3dr only car with the "R" engine or more, VAQ diff, 19" lightweight alloys if need be and sticky tyres, Brembo brakes and a 'ring lap time that bests all VAG MQB models. Sell a 1040 cars at a premium as an anniversary model and reap the halo effect.
This is what VW Motorsport came up with for the TCR International Series - the Golf 'TCR'
epom said:
As some one who drives a MKV gti as a daily, this is definitely something that I would love. Whilst the name clubsport is undoubtedly bonkers, it's only marketing and if someone buys this expecting a full on lightweight track animal then it's not VW I would blame. Would I like one ? Oh yes, very much.
This is where I'm at too. I have had a mk5 GTi from new, nearly 8 years now. Never thought much of the mk6 GTi and whilst the mk7 is an attractive proposition, it just didn't leave me reaching for my wallet.The CS raises the game and is the first car that's got me tempted. It all comes down to price and spec.
Golf R? Not driven one, I knew if I did there would be an expensive end in sight and I wasn't in a position to change at the time. The CS is now edging the R for appeal for me. Lighter, more exclusive and a nicer interior.
The Focus RS will be ballistic. Do I want ballistic at 35??? Not really...
Edited by wantmygti on Wednesday 23 December 20:58
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