Drive off after fuelling.
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hotchy said:
Well the police not turning up is a pistonheads myth. Just last week the mrs got a knock at the door about driving off without paying. She bought her shopping(bp garage with a marks and spencer inside), forgot about the fuel and went on her merry way. Paid the amount and all was good. Iv pooked fun at her everyday since.
Tell that to Donkey Apple as despite all the posters telling him he is wrong he's adamant the police won't be interested.Thankyou4calling said:
Tell that to Donkey Apple as despite all the posters telling him he is wrong he's adamant the police won't be interested.
He's not saying that they aren't he's saying that they shouldn't be. I see no reason why they should attend, its not going to help, but their infrastructure should be used to track down the culprit and to arrest. Its premeditated theft and that is their job. The garages pay tax and rates and part of that is for their local police.I don't think the restaurant scenario is any different. In fact any situation where you get the goods before paying is the same. I'm not absolutely convinced by the argument that its only to make you go into the little shop and buy things. I think that's a very slippery slope. Pay at pump gets more people through more quickly so you could easily argue that not having them in the shop makes more profit.
More security but it isn't worth it - again works for everything, we could all have our own chaperone as soon as we walk into a shop to prevent theft etc but it isn't cost effective.
Edited by DKL on Saturday 28th November 14:06
Er, isn't filling up your car with fuel, and then deliberatley driving off theft? Isn't filling up your shopping trolley, and walking out the door with it theft? Just though I'd ask. To continue. In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.
DonkeyApple said:
Yes but no. The purpose of retaining non pre-pay pumps is to force consumers into the corner shop to buy additional produce. It is 100% a commercial decision based on their business model. If they wish to maximise profit margins further then they need to employ additional security. Except, the cost of that clearly outweighs the savings it would create, which is why they don't. This doesn't mean that a private enterprise should then be able to use taxpayer resources to enhance their margins on such a model.
Yes it is a criminal act but one that deliberately sanctioned by the enterprise as it is a byproduct of greater profit.
That private enterprise pays tax, such as rents for their forecourts, so shouldn't they be entitled to the taxpayer funded services that entails? Or does selling cans of Red Bull above RRP negate that? If so most independent corner shops don't qualify for any protection against shoplifters...Yes it is a criminal act but one that deliberately sanctioned by the enterprise as it is a byproduct of greater profit.
Deejbb said:
My father filled up his E39 last year and forgot to pay - the police were at the house within the hour.. He apologised, told them he would be returning to pay and they left it at that.
Deejbb said:
My father filled up his E39 last year and forgot to pay - the police were at the house within the hour.. He apologised, told them he would be returning to pay and they left it at that.
tbh if he did it twice then the police must be getting a bit pissed off.DonkeyApple said:
Thankyou4calling said:
What if I go into a restaurant with 6 mates and gorge myself on food and boll inter before walking out without paying?
I'd imagine the police would get involved and I can't really see how it's much different for fuel theft.
If it weren't it'd be happening an awful lot more I reckon.
Does that business deliberately make 'runners' possible because it makes them more money?I'd imagine the police would get involved and I can't really see how it's much different for fuel theft.
If it weren't it'd be happening an awful lot more I reckon.
No. And they also take as much action as possible to prevent this loss of revenue. It is a different business model.
Theft is a f
king crime for fk sake. Dishonestluy appropriating something that isn't yours. It disgusts me that anyone thinks the police shouldn't be involved when we're talking significant money here (ie not some penny chews, gallons and gallons of fuel.) As someone else said - if they get away with £50, £60, £70 of fuel what else will their conscience tolerate next? I recall a Derren Brown show (the Heist?) where he got people to "rob" a security van and the first part of the training was to get them to walk out of a shop with a packet of chewing gum.
I got a tug from the police for not paying at Chorley services, I had.
It was for over £90 worth of petrol, and even though I was telling them that if they check the reg plate of my car, the one that drove away, it would show them it was a diesel car, they still wouldn't have any of it.
In the end the only way I got them to drop it, was to show them the empty carrier bag with an empty Evian bottle, empty crisp packet and Mars wrapper. I then said did you have any other sales for £63 of diesel, Evian, Crisps and a Mars bar at that same time?
Top which they said 'Yeah but could be coincidence'
FFS!
The police said just ignore them.
That wasn't that long ago.
Has the OP answered whether it was a Shell garage?
It was for over £90 worth of petrol, and even though I was telling them that if they check the reg plate of my car, the one that drove away, it would show them it was a diesel car, they still wouldn't have any of it.
In the end the only way I got them to drop it, was to show them the empty carrier bag with an empty Evian bottle, empty crisp packet and Mars wrapper. I then said did you have any other sales for £63 of diesel, Evian, Crisps and a Mars bar at that same time?
Top which they said 'Yeah but could be coincidence'
FFS!
The police said just ignore them.
That wasn't that long ago.
Has the OP answered whether it was a Shell garage?
Thankyou4calling said:
What if I go into a restaurant with 6 mates and gorge myself on food and boll inter before walking out without paying?
I'd imagine the police would get involved and I can't really see how it's much different for fuel theft.
If it weren't it'd be happening an awful lot more I reckon.
Well now.I'd imagine the police would get involved and I can't really see how it's much different for fuel theft.
If it weren't it'd be happening an awful lot more I reckon.
It all depends. Just supposing you thought the food was poor and you walked out without paying, but making sure you left contact details with the restauran. When the police call round, you simply say" The food was poor, I will make a considered offer". It is a civil matter, not criminal. The Old Bill are not involved.
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Negative Creep said:
Police won't be interested
They were when I done it. It was completely by accident and I drove off without thinking quite a few years ago now. My mum wasn't very happy when the Police turned up telling her what I'd done but realised it wasn't a meaningful drive off as I'd only put in £5.00.
This was all within half hour of it happening as well...times change.
Deejbb said:
My father filled up his E39 last year and forgot to pay - the police were at the house within the hour.. He apologised, told them he would be returning to pay and they left it at that.
Sounds perfect.Many petrol stations use ANPR which won't switch on the pump unless the car/registration/driver has been successfully video'd and the registration checks out OK. So don't go in with false plates.
And if you forget to pay they will, of course, remember you next time you make a visit to one of their petrol stations.
UK345 said:
I remember years ago i went for a part time job working in a Shell garage. I was told that i would need to get the details of the car that does the bilking or i would need to pay for the amount they stole. Needless to say, i done one shift and jacked it.
To be fair, I can't think of many jobs where they'll let you do that.Was it the petrol smell that got you going?
gizlaroc said:
I got a tug from the police for not paying at Chorley services, I had.
It was for over £90 worth of petrol, and even though I was telling them that if they check the reg plate of my car, the one that drove away, it would show them it was a diesel car, they still wouldn't have any of it.
In the end the only way I got them to drop it, was to show them the empty carrier bag with an empty Evian bottle, empty crisp packet and Mars wrapper. I then said did you have any other sales for £63 of diesel, Evian, Crisps and a Mars bar at that same time?
Top which they said 'Yeah but could be coincidence'
FFS!
The police said just ignore them.
That wasn't that long ago.
Has the OP answered whether it was a Shell garage?
Do you mean the police told you to ignore the service station who were still chasing you for money? It was for over £90 worth of petrol, and even though I was telling them that if they check the reg plate of my car, the one that drove away, it would show them it was a diesel car, they still wouldn't have any of it.
In the end the only way I got them to drop it, was to show them the empty carrier bag with an empty Evian bottle, empty crisp packet and Mars wrapper. I then said did you have any other sales for £63 of diesel, Evian, Crisps and a Mars bar at that same time?
Top which they said 'Yeah but could be coincidence'
FFS!
The police said just ignore them.
That wasn't that long ago.
Has the OP answered whether it was a Shell garage?
I suppose the majority of people who do fill up and f
k off will have fake plates or stolen cars or whatever - with technology these days it would be silly to do it in one's own registered, insured, legal car.
DonkeyApple said:
It's not remotely flawed. The other retail outlets firstly have no choice and so secondly they pay for barriers to prevent people leaving without paying such as security staff etc.
I'm afraid my logic is perfectly correct as to why petrol stations run the business model that they do and that it is their choice to chase greater profit. It isn't the job of taxpayer funded police to enforce this profit model but that of private security.
You usually talk moderately good sense, but you have completely lost the plot on this one. Some kind of anti-business Corbynite nonsense seems to have poisoned your otherwise sound mind I'm afraid my logic is perfectly correct as to why petrol stations run the business model that they do and that it is their choice to chase greater profit. It isn't the job of taxpayer funded police to enforce this profit model but that of private security.
Supermarkets too use a high theft risk model because it makes them greater profits. I expect that your place of work uses fairly leaky security because that is better as regards convenience to employees (another deliberate commercial decision that maximizes profits). Yet the supermarket and your place of work are no less entitled to the protection of the police when someone defrauds them.
If you take the decision to spend less on house security and more on beer, are you disentitled to help from the police when someone breaks in and nicks your socks?
Very shoddy reasoning, DA, and unlike you.
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