RE: BMW M4 vs. Nissan GT-R 45th Anniversary
Discussion
PZR said:
eybic said:
PZR said:
Judging by the name of the 'Takumi' on the plate, the engine on this GT-R was hand assembled by one of Nissan's female technicians.
It seems there are only 4 of them and they are all male.
Sorry about the moiré pattern, but it's scanned from something not much better quality print than a newspaper...
"The four takumi of Nissan's Yokohama plant are Takumi Kurosawa, Tsunemi Ooyama, Izumi Shioya and Nobumitsu Gozu. Collectively, they share over 100 years of exceptional work in their chosen field. These engine craftsmen are responsible for hand-building every awe-inspiring 545-horsepower twin-turbocharged V-6 engines found beneath the hood of the Nissan GT-R, production vehicles and the racecars alike. Each engine is assembled with care and precision by one of these four individuals."
The picture doesn't appear to show a female?????
I enjoyed reading the comparison and agree with the verdict. Whilst I am partial to the rawness (and lightness) of my old school Mazda RX-7 FD since I don't ever need to worry about whether or not it is comfortable as a daily driver, if I had to choose between the two it would easily be the GTR. It's insanely capable and with upgraded brake pads, a transmission cooler and differential coolers it can be reliable for extended periods on track. Plus, if you get bored of 550bhp it is so easy to increase power to insane levels.
eybic said:
PZR said:
eybic said:
PZR said:
Judging by the name of the 'Takumi' on the plate, the engine on this GT-R was hand assembled by one of Nissan's female technicians.
It seems there are only 4 of them and they are all male.Sorry about the moiré pattern, but it's scanned from something not much better quality print than a newspaper...
"The four takumi of Nissan's Yokohama plant are Takumi Kurosawa, Tsunemi Ooyama, Izumi Shioya and Nobumitsu Gozu. Collectively, they share over 100 years of exceptional work in their chosen field. These engine craftsmen are responsible for hand-building every awe-inspiring 545-horsepower twin-turbocharged V-6 engines found beneath the hood of the Nissan GT-R, production vehicles and the racecars alike. Each engine is assembled with care and precision by one of these four individuals."
The picture doesn't appear to show a female?????
OK, that solves it. You're absolutely right. 'Tsunemi' is pretty rare for a male first name, but there he is.
The lady in the article I posted is working her way up to being a 'Takumi', it seems.
Thanks!
PZR said:
eybic said:
PZR said:
eybic said:
PZR said:
Judging by the name of the 'Takumi' on the plate, the engine on this GT-R was hand assembled by one of Nissan's female technicians.
It seems there are only 4 of them and they are all male.Sorry about the moiré pattern, but it's scanned from something not much better quality print than a newspaper...
"The four takumi of Nissan's Yokohama plant are Takumi Kurosawa, Tsunemi Ooyama, Izumi Shioya and Nobumitsu Gozu. Collectively, they share over 100 years of exceptional work in their chosen field. These engine craftsmen are responsible for hand-building every awe-inspiring 545-horsepower twin-turbocharged V-6 engines found beneath the hood of the Nissan GT-R, production vehicles and the racecars alike. Each engine is assembled with care and precision by one of these four individuals."
The picture doesn't appear to show a female?????
OK, that solves it. You're absolutely right. 'Tsunemi' is pretty rare for a male first name, but there he is.
The lady in the article I posted is working her way up to being a 'Takumi', it seems.
I feel it might be a little bit churlish to critise the M4 for being a bit ordinary to drive at low speed. Isn't that the ENTIRE point of the car? (and in fact, every M car ever, with the possible exception of the M1) ie a high performance car that is practically indistinguishable from a 320d when you just want to get home from the office on a wet Tuesday afternoon.........
Max_Torque said:
I feel it might be a little bit churlish to critise the M4 for being a bit ordinary to drive at low speed. Isn't that the ENTIRE point of the car? (and in fact, every M car ever, with the possible exception of the M1) ie a high performance car that is practically indistinguishable from a 320d when you just want to get home from the office on a wet Tuesday afternoon.........
Except it is worse than a 320d, in my opinionKawasicki said:
Max_Torque said:
I feel it might be a little bit churlish to critise the M4 for being a bit ordinary to drive at low speed. Isn't that the ENTIRE point of the car? (and in fact, every M car ever, with the possible exception of the M1) ie a high performance car that is practically indistinguishable from a 320d when you just want to get home from the office on a wet Tuesday afternoon.........
Except it is worse than a 320d, in my opinionI've driven that GTR. Delivered it a few weeks back. It feels very, very strong. They must have fiddled with the comfort setting a bit over the years because it's actually pretty good just mooching along. The earlier ones were brutal from memory. I can't see the point of the M4/M3/C63/RS4 etc any more. They have just got too fast and too expensive and comically loud. I've been driving a lot of new cars of late and the only ones that really cut through are either fully or partially electric. The faster Tesla models are on another planet in terms of usable everyday speed.
good article
Im on my 3rd GTR and can't see myself being without one...they are simply fabulous. Have been tracking my latest more so really getting to know the car a lot better and it is just awesome. A wet day on Saturday just gone at Bedford really proved what an immensely capable and still fun car it is.
I do love BMWs- and really like the way the M3/M4 look
and have a 335xd as a daily driver- and was toying with getting an M4 or M3 (M3 looks much better from the back IMO)
but I kept reading about the poor handling in the wet and cold, and 3 guys who turned up to the track day I knew in 2 M4s and 1 M3 all confirmed this .. Two of the guys were pretty experienced on track days, but the GTR walked all over them and was balanced, controllable on the limit and was far more fun.
So Ive got an M2 on order as a daily- and hoping that performs the way the M4 should. .....
Im on my 3rd GTR and can't see myself being without one...they are simply fabulous. Have been tracking my latest more so really getting to know the car a lot better and it is just awesome. A wet day on Saturday just gone at Bedford really proved what an immensely capable and still fun car it is.
I do love BMWs- and really like the way the M3/M4 look
and have a 335xd as a daily driver- and was toying with getting an M4 or M3 (M3 looks much better from the back IMO)
but I kept reading about the poor handling in the wet and cold, and 3 guys who turned up to the track day I knew in 2 M4s and 1 M3 all confirmed this .. Two of the guys were pretty experienced on track days, but the GTR walked all over them and was balanced, controllable on the limit and was far more fun.
So Ive got an M2 on order as a daily- and hoping that performs the way the M4 should. .....
Drove them both, the M4 has a bit of a 'GTR feel' about it with the new power-train.
The GTR is clearly a step or two up in performance, but the reality is they're both 'too fast' for the public roads (if you want to get anywhere near pushing them hard / they're limits), and they're too heavy for the track.
Those considerations would make me consider the every day aspect a lot more than outright pace. I think I'd take the M4 as the every day. It'd be close.
The GTR is clearly a step or two up in performance, but the reality is they're both 'too fast' for the public roads (if you want to get anywhere near pushing them hard / they're limits), and they're too heavy for the track.
Those considerations would make me consider the every day aspect a lot more than outright pace. I think I'd take the M4 as the every day. It'd be close.
Max_Torque said:
Kawasicki said:
Max_Torque said:
I feel it might be a little bit churlish to critise the M4 for being a bit ordinary to drive at low speed. Isn't that the ENTIRE point of the car? (and in fact, every M car ever, with the possible exception of the M1) ie a high performance car that is practically indistinguishable from a 320d when you just want to get home from the office on a wet Tuesday afternoon.........
Except it is worse than a 320d, in my opinionArticle said:
A quick glance at the spec sheet revealed that this GT-R, surprisingly for a press car, arrived completely standard, with a list price of £79,780.
That's because the GT-R does not really have any options. You can pay extra for certain colours of paint, leather, different wheels and parking sensors. That's it. It's not like most cars where the list of options is as long as your arm and you can add almost as much again to the base price.Matt Bird said:
Fair point, thank you!
Probably just being pedantic now but 'electro-hydraulic' implies that it's a hydraulic system but one where the hydraulic pressure is supplied by an electric motor. This however isn't the case, as the GT-R has a *conventional* pulley driven hydraulic power steering setup.Just search for a replacement "R35 power steering pump" part - you'll note the replacement part has a pulley wheel instead of an electric motor.
snuffy said:
Article said:
A quick glance at the spec sheet revealed that this GT-R, surprisingly for a press car, arrived completely standard, with a list price of £79,780.
That's because the GT-R does not really have any options. You can pay extra for certain colours of paint, leather, different wheels and parking sensors. That's it. It's not like most cars where the list of options is as long as your arm and you can add almost as much again to the base price.Vladikar said:
The ride is one of the reasons I bought a GTR in the first place. I agree with everything in the article 
I just don't know where to go from here now...
If you don't need rear seats, the new NSX is getting good reviews, seems very close to a GTR on numbers, but the extra cost gets mid-engined balance and torque vectoring.I just don't know where to go from here now...
Or you could get an R8, or a nearly-new Gallardo.
Otherwise I expect Nissan will have a new GTR out in a few years that will likely move the game on, given how the technology you need to make a GTR (turbocharging, active diffs, etc) has come on so far lately.
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