RE: Lamborghini Huracan LP580-2: Driven
Discussion
Would like to have a go and bet the engine sounds awesome! Prob would go for a competitor. Have seen a few about and thought they were good looking then I saw a koeniggsegg ccx on the road the other day and almost crashed while trying to get a look. Amazing to see one in the wild!!
Lambos used to take my breath away but the huracan is just a little forgettable tbh, all of them are so similar now and the engine is the only selling point imo. That interior is honestly laughable....
Lambos used to take my breath away but the huracan is just a little forgettable tbh, all of them are so similar now and the engine is the only selling point imo. That interior is honestly laughable....
br d said:
Varn said:
Yes, manufacturers will always aim at best returns - it's business. Unfortunately for some of us on PH, that means supercar manufacturers now produce cars aimed at the lower skilled end of the driver spectrum; AWD, 'auto', and FI.
Modern supercars - for those that can't.
I'm off work after a knee op so have to sit still and kill time otherwise I wouldn't bother responding to this sort of nonsense.Modern supercars - for those that can't.
Edited by Varn on Tuesday 8th December 10:11
So what do these modern supercars - for those that can't - actually give you?
The ability to accelerate quicker, corner harder, stop sooner and arrive completely relaxed. Take a modern supercar on an early morning hoon around the flat roads of the Loire valley and tell me they're for people who don't like driving.
There is a huge nostalgia for "real" supercars on PH and that's fine, the overwhelming response to a lottery win car around here is the F40 because it was such a superb combination of engineering and raw excitment. So it's perfect if you want to go to a show, or a sunny day drive or the odd cross country dash savouring the input and feel you get from something that connects you to the environment so directly. I'd have one in a heartbeat, if I could afford a five car garage.
However, if you want to thrash your way across Europe on a regular basis at speeds and comfort levels an F40 wouldn't even recognise, confident that nothing was going to go pop, leak or rattle and with an array of in-cabin options to keep you amused (if you get tired of the exhaust note) then you buy a modern supercar with all the technical wizardry.
If you won a million on the lottery tomorrow you'd have to spend pretty much all of it to get a good F40 or Countach that while looking fantastic would give you serious headaches if you actually started piling on the miles, alternatively for less than 200 grand you could buy this Lambo and do more in a month - with no issues - than you could in a very careful year in the classic.
This is not to denigrate the manual boxed classic supercar, they certainly are wonderful things that are rightly cherished for what they bought to the automotive arena but the ignorant "Oh well of course these modern cars have no feel or soul and are for people who can't drive" rubbish that gets thrown about around here gets very tiresome.
A modern supercar with all the trimmings is a stunningly exciting thing to travel in and if you are half a decent driver you will adapt to its modernity and take immense pleasure from it.
/Rant over, sore knee, grumpy, probably shouldn't have gone there
Edited by br d on Tuesday 8th December 11:45
stephen300o said:
The thing they have over the competition is four wheel drive..
No, the thing the competition has over them is 2WD. The standard cars being 4WD is not a good thing, they handle like pigs.Personally, I'd rather have a manual Murcielago and convert to 2WD. It only takes a few hours, doesn't throw any error codes and immediately improves the handling.
RoverP6B said:
No, the thing the competition has over them is 2WD. The standard cars being 4WD is not a good thing, they handle like pigs.
Personally, I'd rather have a manual Murcielago and convert to 2WD. It only takes a few hours, doesn't throw any error codes and immediately improves the handling.
A 4WD Lambo handles as well in heavy rain as a 2WD Ferrari handles in slight damp. 4WD is a different feel no doubt but I'm not sure how you can say it handles like a pig.Personally, I'd rather have a manual Murcielago and convert to 2WD. It only takes a few hours, doesn't throw any error codes and immediately improves the handling.
The 4WD Lamborghinis have grip and traction, but on and beyond the limits of traction, those who've done 2WD conversions on their Lambos are absolutely united in holding the view that the removal of the front driveshafts makes them much more progressive and balanced in how they lose traction - whereas the 4WD cars tend to understeer at first then snap-oversteer, the 2WD cars don't understeer at all, they just oversteer progressively.
soad said:
Rear is rather f
king bland and ugly, yes? I just can't get past it. 
Not sure if you have seen it in realise, but I used to agree with your sentiment, but then I saw a couple, and I saw what all the full was about. It is achingly beautiful in the flesh. The rear has lots of detail and the beveled exhausts that have a slight upward tilt to them, it just works. Compared to the overly busy and fussy Aventador this is incredible. It's a very clean and pure design like the Murcialago originally was.king bland and ugly, yes? I just can't get past it. RoverP6B said:
The 4WD Lamborghinis have grip and traction, but on and beyond the limits of traction, those who've done 2WD conversions on their Lambos are absolutely united in holding the view that the removal of the front driveshafts makes them much more progressive and balanced in how they lose traction - whereas the 4WD cars tend to understeer at first then snap-oversteer, the 2WD cars don't understeer at all, they just oversteer progressively.
Right. So the people who went to all the trouble of converting them said it was a good thing because it improves the feel when losing traction, which is fine. You'll excuse me for being picky but that is very far from "The standard cars being 4WD is not a good thing, they handle like pigs." A ridiculous statement to make. An overloaded Transit Luton handles like a pig, get some perspective please.
Ed Straker said:
As you say Matt - nobody is interested.
This whole piece is about getting a Lambo on track.
Have you taken a supercar on a track day in the UK? Try it.
Ideally one you bought yourself.
Nobody buys 2wd Lambos coz YOU CANNOT DRIFT CARS ON THE ROAD.
So you are left with a car that "tries to kill you" or you drive like a District Nurse.
The clued up Manufacturers know this.
So they make cars that can be fun in a realistic operating window.
If the 570 McLaren looked like a Lambo it would clean up.
Yes maybe you can't drift cars on the road, well not legally anyway but it's knowing you can. It's the same as knowing that your car can do 200 mph etc etc. I had an deposit down on the new c63 but then noticed audi were doing good deals on the rs4 so went for that instead. Biggest mistake of my life. If Audi had a rwd option on the rs4 though it would be the best car everThis whole piece is about getting a Lambo on track.
Have you taken a supercar on a track day in the UK? Try it.
Ideally one you bought yourself.
Nobody buys 2wd Lambos coz YOU CANNOT DRIFT CARS ON THE ROAD.
So you are left with a car that "tries to kill you" or you drive like a District Nurse.
The clued up Manufacturers know this.
So they make cars that can be fun in a realistic operating window.
If the 570 McLaren looked like a Lambo it would clean up.
br d said:
Right. So the people who went to all the trouble of converting them said it was a good thing because it improves the feel when losing traction, which is fine. You'll excuse me for being picky but that is very far from "The standard cars being 4WD is not a good thing, they handle like pigs." A ridiculous statement to make. An overloaded Transit Luton handles like a pig, get some perspective please.
Within the world of supercars, the 4WD Lambos do handle like pigs. Loads of understeer followed by snap oversteer. Remove the front driveshafts and it handles far better with minimal loss of traction.I've always thought of the Huracan as the most sensible supercar in it's market as it's small, relatively sublte (albeit very good looking) and has that all important 4wd giving it that daily usable power it's competitors don't have. Take that away and it becomes hard to justify over the others such as the 650s/488.
Having said that, it's still a 580hp rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated V10 made in Italy so it can't be all bad!
As for the pricing, I don't think that really matters as if you can afford a £160,000 Lamborghini, you can usually afford a £180,000 lamborghini. The people who buy this car will be people who would buy V12 Vantages but want something a little more exotic.
Having said that, it's still a 580hp rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated V10 made in Italy so it can't be all bad!
As for the pricing, I don't think that really matters as if you can afford a £160,000 Lamborghini, you can usually afford a £180,000 lamborghini. The people who buy this car will be people who would buy V12 Vantages but want something a little more exotic.
Personally, I regard the V12 Vantage, with its wonderful twelve-cylinder engine, as being far more desirable than this tarted-up R8... for a start, the Aston makes a spine-tingling howl, to which the Audi V10 simply cannot be compared - it makes a much duller sound. It's sad that the great N/A engines are now so rare that the Audi V10 is regarded as one of the greatest engines on sale...
I think that this is a great looking car, however lacks the bold drama of the Gallardo.
The interior is far too Audi, with all the satin finished soft-touch materials.
Big NA V10 and RWD is the perfect drivertrain, however, and this puts it out infront of it's competitors by miles in my opinion.
The interior is far too Audi, with all the satin finished soft-touch materials.
Big NA V10 and RWD is the perfect drivertrain, however, and this puts it out infront of it's competitors by miles in my opinion.
br d said:
RoverP6B said:
The 4WD Lamborghinis have grip and traction, but on and beyond the limits of traction, those who've done 2WD conversions on their Lambos are absolutely united in holding the view that the removal of the front driveshafts makes them much more progressive and balanced in how they lose traction - whereas the 4WD cars tend to understeer at first then snap-oversteer, the 2WD cars don't understeer at all, they just oversteer progressively.
Right. So the people who went to all the trouble of converting them said it was a good thing because it improves the feel when losing traction, which is fine. You'll excuse me for being picky but that is very far from "The standard cars being 4WD is not a good thing, they handle like pigs." A ridiculous statement to make. An overloaded Transit Luton handles like a pig, get some perspective please.
"Right. So the people who went to all the trouble of converting them said it was a good thing because if they said anything else, it would show that they'd made a stupid error of judgement, and ruined an otherwise fine handling, desireable, and ultimately saleable supercar"
Are there really a significant number of Lambo drivers out there who have their front drive shafts sat on a shelf in their garage, awaiting reinstallation at trade in time? Surely they must run into all sorts of stability and traction control issues as their cars get all confused about what's going on.
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