Which Broadband?

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Funkycoldribena

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7,379 posts

154 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Just cancelled Virgin,got fed up with slow TiVo,useless superhub,constant price rises etc.Who should I go with now? Seems most only offer 38mb max,is that enough for a house full?

rossmc88

475 posts

160 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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A lot of the speed and performance issues are due to the crappy free routers you get from your ISP, including the Virgin superhub. Get a decent router, like an Asus N55U for Adsl or N66U for fibre internet and see great performance improvements


durbster

10,247 posts

222 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Cheaper broadband means worse customer service, as a general rule.

I'd recommend Zen. Switched to them earlier this year and no issues since.

Elderly

3,491 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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durbster said:
I'd recommend Zen. .
/\ This.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I offloaded the DNS, DHCP and wifi duties to my raspberry pi server awa from the superhub.
It now no longer overheats and randomly cuts out... thats progress i guess lol

Andehh

7,108 posts

206 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Dare I say it.... But bt infinity have been pretty good to us. Maybe 1 or 2 downtime in the last couple of years stable connection and only limited by our distance to exchange. Only the two of us but some heavy streaming each night, few big steam(games) downloading, occasional "other" downloading.

No traffic management /throttling /limits I can see, but yes... The typical bt line increase every year.

KungFuPanda

4,330 posts

170 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Just had Vodafone home broadband installed at the parents. Decent speed and good prices if you're already a Vodafone mobile customer.

George111

6,930 posts

251 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Andehh said:
Dare I say it.... But bt infinity have been pretty good to us. Maybe 1 or 2 downtime in the last couple of years stable connection and only limited by our distance to exchange. Only the two of us but some heavy streaming each night, few big steam(games) downloading, occasional "other" downloading.

No traffic management /throttling /limits I can see, but yes... The typical bt line increase every year.
I agree with this, BT Infinity has been great for me. Replaced Virgin Media fibre after they couldn't even stream iPlayer without buffering on a 40 or 50 MBit service. Switched to BT Infinity and although the headline max speed is just 73MBit/sec compared to Virgin Media's 100 or 200, I can steam HD to multiple devices at the same time without buffering, I can't even remember the last time anything buffered, iPlayer or Netflix and this is whilst working, browsing the web and downloading from work and Microsoft. I use the original wall mounted Openreach modem connected to an Asus 802.11ac wifi router, neither has ever given a problem and I get a solid 73meg down and 16 meg up. Maybe people who have problems are still using the Home Hub ?

durbster

10,247 posts

222 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Andehh said:
Dare I say it.... But bt infinity have been pretty good to us. Maybe 1 or 2 downtime in the last couple of years stable connection and only limited by our distance to exchange. Only the two of us but some heavy streaming each night, few big steam(games) downloading, occasional "other" downloading.

No traffic management /throttling /limits I can see, but yes... The typical bt line increase every year.
I think the basic service is alright but the problems come when you have an issue and have to wade through varying levels of numpty to get anything resolved.

My only dealing with BT was getting the fibre point installed. The engineer rang to say everything seemed to be working but he'd never seen my router before (a TP-Link N600 - very common) so couldn't set it up. I got home to find he'd just plugged the cable into the wrong port.

If you never have to ring them it's probably fine, but if you do you quickly realise where they make their cost savings.

I should add this is not from experience because I've always used smaller broadband providers, but when I dug around comparing them all this was the general impression I got and it seems to bear out if you look at the stats:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp...

Incidentally, that is a very good resource for helping you pick an ISP:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/

ging84

8,885 posts

146 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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go on shortest contract
domestic broadband is all much of a muchness, they all come with st customer service, they all will oversell thier lines given the opportunity, they will all have unexplained outages which will rarely show up on their service status page and they will all stick thier prices up the second you turn your back.
you just take pot luck on getting a company which isn't oversold in your area so you might be able to get close to the advertised speed at peak times

mp3manager

4,254 posts

196 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Elderly said:
durbster said:
I'd recommend Zen. .
/\ This.
I was with Zen 10 years ago, when they used to have an unlimited service, (on a 2Mb line), and bragged about 'bandwidth to spare'.
The low and behold they introduced a usage cap and hefty penalties for exceeding it.

Don't believe the hype.

durbster

10,247 posts

222 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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ging84 said:
go on shortest contract
domestic broadband is all much of a muchness, they all come with st customer service,
Not true at all. I had excellent customer service from my previous broadband providers (Freedom2Surf and Newnet).

mp3manager said:
I was with Zen 10 years ago, when they used to have an unlimited service, (on a 2Mb line), and bragged about 'bandwidth to spare'.
The low and behold they introduced a usage cap and hefty penalties for exceeding it.

Don't believe the hype.
The did introduce caps which is why I didn't move to them a few years ago, but they're unlimited now.

George111

6,930 posts

251 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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durbster said:
I should add this is not from experience because I've always used smaller broadband providers, but when I dug around comparing them all this was the general impression I got and it seems to bear out if you look at the stats:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html?isp...
So Zen, which runs on BT lines, is so much more reliable than BT ? smile How does that work then wink

onomatopoeia

3,469 posts

217 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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George111 said:
So Zen, which runs on BT lines, is so much more reliable than BT ? smile How does that work then wink
Is that a serious question? The bit of cable between you and the exchange is only one part of your internet connection, likewise the backhaul network. Problems generally start at the ISP's connection to the backhaul network (underprovisioning by the ISP to keep costs down) and go from there.

That's not to say there aren't problems with BT 20CN and 21CN, but things like "evening slowdowns" aren't generally down to that, it's usually down to the bits under the ISP's control.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Funkycoldribena said:
Seems most only offer 38mb max,is that enough for a house full?
We've got 1.8mb download & it runs netflix fine, how much more do you really need?

Rosscow

8,755 posts

163 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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I'm with BT Infinity and I can honestly say we've had very, very few problems in 2 years (and nothing that a reboot doesn't seem to fix).

75mbps download, 18mbps upload. At work we're on the 40/10 business service and get 38mbps download and 9.5mbps upload.

38mbps is more than adequate.

Funkycoldribena

Original Poster:

7,379 posts

154 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Big thanks for all replies.

bitchstewie

51,110 posts

210 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Infinity here, Sky previously. I've used all sorts of niche ISPs in the past and my general experience has been that there is nothing in it if you have a good phone line and a decent router.

The differences tend to be apparent if you have an issue where you need the ISPs technical expertise or god forbid you need to troubleshoot a phone line or wiring problem.

ging84

8,885 posts

146 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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durbster said:
ging84 said:
go on shortest contract
domestic broadband is all much of a muchness, they all come with st customer service,
Not true at all. I had excellent customer service from my previous broadband providers (Freedom2Surf and Newnet).
Not true based on 2 ex broadband suppliers both of which were primarily business broadband suppliers not domestic gave you good customer service
this pretty much proves my point

durbster

10,247 posts

222 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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ging84 said:
Not true based on 2 ex broadband suppliers both of which were primarily business broadband suppliers not domestic gave you good customer service
this pretty much proves my point
They were both domestic and had excellent customer service. I'm struggling to see how that proves your point.

The point is that if you look beyond the big providers you can get customer service.