RE: VW Golf R vs. its own hype

RE: VW Golf R vs. its own hype

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The original Nick the Greek

366 posts

101 months

Friday 1st January 2016
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CorvetteConvert said:
From all accounts the M2 might just be the ideal compromise between outright performance and usability as a daily. I think they will hold money better than an M4. They are scarcely any slower to 80-ish than an M4 and whilst I initially thought BMW may have under bhp-ed the M2, the more I think and hear the more I reckon they may have it spot on. Nice car.
I'd have to agree.

But will wait to read the initial reviews and get a drive myself before giving a definitive view.

smile

nickfrog

21,214 posts

218 months

Friday 1st January 2016
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CorvetteConvert said:
From all accounts the M2 might just be the ideal compromise between outright performance and usability as a daily. I think they will hold money better than an M4. They are scarcely any slower to 80-ish than an M4 and whilst I initially thought BMW may have under bhp-ed the M2, the more I think and hear the more I reckon they may have it spot on. Nice car.
Straight line speed is very low on my list of priorities and to be fair no one has driven one yet so not sure "by all accounts" mean much.

This was my target car but as I said, the price differential is very small after discounts compared to the M3 / M4 which have nice (albeit a little superfluous/ostentatious) M touches like the mirrors, CF roof, proper seats rather than M135i seats, etc etc, that the M2 has to do without.

M2 residuals could indeed be better in the short term but as a daily the M3 would make more sense, what with 4-doors. Quite irrelevant anyway as no M2 available before 2017 delivery now.

epom

11,561 posts

162 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything

hondansx

4,574 posts

226 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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What put me off the 1M is that it was barely any lighter than the then M3 and all you really got was less rear legroom as a result (and a cheaper interior).

I'd be therefore turned off if the M2 follows in the same vein. Anyone know what the weight difference is?

thebraketester

14,256 posts

139 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
Come again?

mikey k

13,011 posts

217 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
That went through my head as well

Flibble

6,476 posts

182 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Shambler said:
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
All four are connected, but there is a flap that opens and closes to control when the inner pipes are active. It's possible to mod it to have them always open.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
Lol, do you want a pic of mine with all four sooted up?!

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

221 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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ToothbrushMan said:
the golf was stage 3 with approx 500ps and the fiat was 430ps and front wheel drive.......impressive stuff.
Good clip that. DSG & 4WD showing a clear advantage off the line. However, I reckon either the Golf is way less than 500ps, or the FIAT way more than 430ps. You can't claw back an annihilation off the line like that with less power.

Any more details on how 500ps was achieved? I can't see a standard engine making that and lasting more than a few pulls, but I'm interested in the technicalities.

lord trumpton

7,415 posts

127 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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SuperchargedVR6 said:
ToothbrushMan said:
the golf was stage 3 with approx 500ps and the fiat was 430ps and front wheel drive.......impressive stuff.
Good clip that. DSG & 4WD showing a clear advantage off the line. However, I reckon either the Golf is way less than 500ps, or the FIAT way more than 430ps. You can't claw back an annihilation off the line like that with less power.

Any more details on how 500ps was achieved? I can't see a standard engine making that and lasting more than a few pulls, but I'm interested in the technicalities.
It was more likely down to weight differences between the two

DukeDickson

4,721 posts

214 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Somebody must do:


http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GT...

thebraketester

14,256 posts

139 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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SuperchargedVR6 said:
Good clip that. DSG & 4WD showing a clear advantage off the line. However, I reckon either the Golf is way less than 500ps, or the FIAT way more than 430ps. You can't claw back an annihilation off the line like that with less power.

Any more details on how 500ps was achieved? I can't see a standard engine making that and lasting more than a few pulls, but I'm interested in the technicalities.
Which mk golf made 500bhp? The mk6r will do 500bhp on stock internals. Not sure about the mk7

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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DukeDickson said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Somebody must do:


http://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/Golf-GTI/GTD/R/GT...
What's your point, that car has four exhausts?

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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thebraketester said:
The mk6r will do 500bhp on stock internals. Not sure about the mk7

thebraketester

14,256 posts

139 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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It will. Do your homework. ;-)

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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andrewparker said:
Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
Lol, do you want a pic of mine with all four sooted up?!
I have checked again and the two inner exhausts are not attached and are purely cosmetic. I have the estate so I don't know if there is a difference over the hatch.

rampantdidact

44 posts

113 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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UK Hatch version definitely has all 4 pipes connected. 2 are always open and the other 2 only open when the engine is at a certain rev range and what driving mode you are in. They can also all be permanently opened via vagcom.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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Shambler said:
andrewparker said:
Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
Lol, do you want a pic of mine with all four sooted up?!
I have checked again and the two inner exhausts are not attached and are purely cosmetic. I have the estate so I don't know if there is a difference over the hatch.
Ahhh, there is a difference, read this – http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/10119-r-estate/p...

In particular post #222

"Anybody else notice the difference between the estate and the hatch exhaust setup yet? The tips are all false and don't have any physical connection with the backboxes (also different) as they seem to just exit in the general tip area. I haven't been able to look at any detail to see how the valves etc are setup."

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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rampantdidact said:
UK Hatch version definitely has all 4 pipes connected. 2 are always open and the other 2 only open when the engine is at a certain rev range and what driving mode you are in. They can also all be permanently opened via vagcom.
just spoken to vw and they confirmed that all four should be connected, mine are not, so trip to dealer.